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I'd say it's an unnecessary dilution of national brand power. I know people who refuse to buy things directly from China, yet are perfectly happy buying the sam

I'd say it's an unnecessary dilution of national brand power. I know people who refuse to buy things directly from China, yet are perfectly happy buying the same items through a western distributer. That price delta is directly measurable brand equity that ends up as taxable money spent in western economies with no real value add. Pulling this crap only incentives China to develop their own silicon. Since the west can't compete on manufacturing cost or quality, Chinese products will continue to dominate. But the importance of incorporating western technologies will deminish since there will be no legal alternative. The end result is just plain brand dilution, since not using western technology will become the new norm. I'm not really personally concerned, the west will learn sooner or later that it actually needs to build something to remain competitive. A service based economy is simply everyone serving each other coffee, while gradually eroding existing equity so we can keep buying coffee beans.

LegitShady 6y ago
>Pulling this crap only incentives China to develop their own silicon. Operating under the assumption this isnt already a priority to them, which I would say is a big assumption. You're looking at this as if it was in absence of the rest of the trade footings of the two countries. The west is building stuff in this industry - semi conductors. The east is operating heavy industrial espionage to try and steal all the secrets of it so they can take it from the west. I'm not sure why you think this trade war situation is indicative of the US not making things - its exactly a heavily US industry where China steals technology to leapfrog actual competition. If China steals all your research you're going to have trouble affording coffee beans. If they steal your research and then open factories up you're going broke. So the importance of producing is true, but its tied to the importance of protecting your advantages, national and otherwise.
- 0xfaded 6y ago
  If you're scared of cheap knockoffs, it's exactly the perception that your product is somehow superior that you want. Part of that might be less risk exposure to lawsuits for incorporating stolen IP. But if you eliminate the legal option, the grey area alternative becomes normalized. IP is also a highly artificial construct. If all documents were suddenly in the open, and your competitors are suddenly able to build a better product, how comfortable can you be that you can actually compete on quality?
  - nsporillo 6y ago
    It would simply devolve into whichever nation decides to put the most money into subsidies, removing environmental protections, and facilitating slave-like labor conditions.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > The west is building stuff in this industry - semi conductors. The east is operating heavy industrial espionage to try and steal all the secrets of it so they can take it from the west. Let's not forget that a good part of the NSA's business is industrial espionage, allegedly also heavily in Western Allies.

LegitShady 6y ago

>Pulling this crap only incentives China to develop their own silicon. Operating under the assumption this isnt already a priority to them, which I would say is a big assumption. You're looking at this as if it was in absence of the rest of the trade footings of the two countries. The west is building stuff in this industry - semi conductors. The east is operating heavy industrial espionage to try and steal all the secrets of it so they can take it from the west. I'm not sure why you think this trade war situation is indicative of the US not making things - its exactly a heavily US industry where China steals technology to leapfrog actual competition. If China steals all your research you're going to have trouble affording coffee beans. If they steal your research and then open factories up you're going broke. So the importance of producing is true, but its tied to the importance of protecting your advantages, national and otherwise.

0xfaded 6y ago
If you're scared of cheap knockoffs, it's exactly the perception that your product is somehow superior that you want. Part of that might be less risk exposure to lawsuits for incorporating stolen IP. But if you eliminate the legal option, the grey area alternative becomes normalized. IP is also a highly artificial construct. If all documents were suddenly in the open, and your competitors are suddenly able to build a better product, how comfortable can you be that you can actually compete on quality?
- nsporillo 6y ago
  It would simply devolve into whichever nation decides to put the most money into subsidies, removing environmental protections, and facilitating slave-like labor conditions.
luckylion 6y ago
> The west is building stuff in this industry - semi conductors. The east is operating heavy industrial espionage to try and steal all the secrets of it so they can take it from the west. Let's not forget that a good part of the NSA's business is industrial espionage, allegedly also heavily in Western Allies.