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Sounds pointlessly globalist. In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans?

mschuster91 6y ago
> In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans? Rising living standard means more consumers that can buy American goods, and it also means that the likelihood of civil war/uprisings due to poverty goes down, which in turn reduces the potential for wars.
- readarticle 6y ago
  Assuming a vacuum, the larger market is always fair, but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    > but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context. Taking into account how much the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts have cost the US in money, how much lives and potential was lost, is actually easy. Don't get me wrong, it was a good intention to get rid of the Taliban and Saddam, but the execution failed horribly. And that were backyard 3rd world countries. A conflict involving China would be an utter bloodshed, especially if it devolves into nuclear war, and it would totally destroy the US and probably EU economy. We're seeing how much we depend on China now with the 'rona crisis, and that is a "China does their best effort to fulfill Western orders for anything from toys to medical PPE" scenario and not a "China is at war with the US and doesn't deliver anything to them and their allies" scenario. Politicians have also realized this but renationalizing even parts of what was outsourced to China will take decades. Until that happens China has the Western states by the balls, figuratively - and given how they acted with delivering PPE "donations" to Italy and other states that the EU left to fend alone they know this and are absolutely willing to use this as leverage to keep the US and EU from interfering in their eradications of Uighur Muslims and Tibetan people.

mschuster91 6y ago

> In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans? Rising living standard means more consumers that can buy American goods, and it also means that the likelihood of civil war/uprisings due to poverty goes down, which in turn reduces the potential for wars.

readarticle 6y ago
Assuming a vacuum, the larger market is always fair, but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  > but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context. Taking into account how much the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts have cost the US in money, how much lives and potential was lost, is actually easy. Don't get me wrong, it was a good intention to get rid of the Taliban and Saddam, but the execution failed horribly. And that were backyard 3rd world countries. A conflict involving China would be an utter bloodshed, especially if it devolves into nuclear war, and it would totally destroy the US and probably EU economy. We're seeing how much we depend on China now with the 'rona crisis, and that is a "China does their best effort to fulfill Western orders for anything from toys to medical PPE" scenario and not a "China is at war with the US and doesn't deliver anything to them and their allies" scenario. Politicians have also realized this but renationalizing even parts of what was outsourced to China will take decades. Until that happens China has the Western states by the balls, figuratively - and given how they acted with delivering PPE "donations" to Italy and other states that the EU left to fend alone they know this and are absolutely willing to use this as leverage to keep the US and EU from interfering in their eradications of Uighur Muslims and Tibetan people.