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> This facility, which will be built in Arizona, will utilize TSMC’s 5-nanometer technology for semiconductor wafer fabrication Wow Intel can't even get 10 nm

by 60secz 6y ago

> This facility, which will be built in Arizona, will utilize TSMC’s 5-nanometer technology for semiconductor wafer fabrication Wow Intel can't even get 10 nm working. Big win for Apple and AMD tho.

harpratap 6y ago
Isn't Intel's fab always better than TSMC's? Intel 10nm competes with TSMC's 7nm
- ac29 6y ago
  By the time Intel gets anywhere near the 10nm production volume that TSMC does on 7nm right now, TSMC will probably already be moving to 5nm. Its also difficult to say that "Intel 10nm competes with TSMC's 7nm" because in so many ways, it doesnt. Ice Lake server was supposed to be out this year with a new microarchitechture (the first since Skylake), but still is nowhere to be seen (though it certainly seems likely the big cloud players already have early silicon).
  - MangoCoffee 6y ago
    agree. AMD 4000 mobile chip already win a lot of praises even tho TSMC 7nm supposed to be inferior compare to Intel 10nm. we are talking about 7nm in production right now compare to Intel still struggling with 10nm and squeezing 14nm forever. its a win for TSMC. by the time Intel 10nm is on mass production, TSMC 5nm or even 3nm will be out.
  - wtallis 6y ago
    Intel's 10nm as originally planned would have been superior to TSMC's original 7nm, if Intel's 10nm had actually been functional. But it didn't work and got cancelled and what they're calling 10nm now is what would have been called "10nm+" if they hadn't renamed their entire roadmap to cover up the failure. I'm not sure how close Intel's shipping 10nm comes to TSMC's original 7nm, but that's rapidly becoming irrelevant now that TSMC's 7nm+ with EUV is up and running.
- __alexs 6y ago
  Intel have no 10nm parts so how would we know if it's better? TSMC are shipping millions of working 7nm parts today.
  - lorenzhs 6y ago
    10nm Intel laptops have been on the market for at least six months now, for example in the XPS 13 2-in-1. The new MacBook Air and Pro 13 also ship with Intel 10nm CPUs. While Intel had a lot of trouble getting 10nm production to work and are still only shipping mobile chips, they are selling useful 10nm chips now.

by 60secz 6y ago

harpratap 6y ago

Isn't Intel's fab always better than TSMC's? Intel 10nm competes with TSMC's 7nm

ac29 6y ago
By the time Intel gets anywhere near the 10nm production volume that TSMC does on 7nm right now, TSMC will probably already be moving to 5nm. Its also difficult to say that "Intel 10nm competes with TSMC's 7nm" because in so many ways, it doesnt. Ice Lake server was supposed to be out this year with a new microarchitechture (the first since Skylake), but still is nowhere to be seen (though it certainly seems likely the big cloud players already have early silicon).
- MangoCoffee 6y ago
  agree. AMD 4000 mobile chip already win a lot of praises even tho TSMC 7nm supposed to be inferior compare to Intel 10nm. we are talking about 7nm in production right now compare to Intel still struggling with 10nm and squeezing 14nm forever. its a win for TSMC. by the time Intel 10nm is on mass production, TSMC 5nm or even 3nm will be out.
- wtallis 6y ago
  Intel's 10nm as originally planned would have been superior to TSMC's original 7nm, if Intel's 10nm had actually been functional. But it didn't work and got cancelled and what they're calling 10nm now is what would have been called "10nm+" if they hadn't renamed their entire roadmap to cover up the failure. I'm not sure how close Intel's shipping 10nm comes to TSMC's original 7nm, but that's rapidly becoming irrelevant now that TSMC's 7nm+ with EUV is up and running.
__alexs 6y ago
Intel have no 10nm parts so how would we know if it's better? TSMC are shipping millions of working 7nm parts today.
- lorenzhs 6y ago
  10nm Intel laptops have been on the market for at least six months now, for example in the XPS 13 2-in-1. The new MacBook Air and Pro 13 also ship with Intel 10nm CPUs. While Intel had a lot of trouble getting 10nm production to work and are still only shipping mobile chips, they are selling useful 10nm chips now.