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Someday I would really love to buy an iPhone that says "designed and built by Apple in California" Stuff like this is just one step closer to that. I would ha

by blhack 6y ago

Someday I would really love to buy an iPhone that says "designed and built by Apple in California" Stuff like this is just one step closer to that. I would happily pay a premium for it. Excellent news. And to all of you currently looking at your rent in SF and wondering if you should stay there now that you can work remote: AZ is a pretty awesome place, and more and more it's looking like it actually could become a hardware hub in the US. To be clear on my point about rent in Phoenix, btw: I am currently sitting about 400 yards from ASU (I live across the street from campus). I rented this house for about 10 years for <$1000/mo (2br, 1ba, now I own it), and there are still apartments/condos in this neighborhood for that price. We don't have an ocean, but we have some of the most beautiful hiking in the world, the city is extremely cycle friendly, and almost every biome you could want is a few hours drive max from here. It's really a great city.

ulfw 6y ago
Nationalism is a powerful thing huh. I wouldn’t want to buy a ‘Made in CA’ iPhone. How would this be any different to one with chips made in Taiwan? Keep in mind Apple is sold around the world. Not everyone is American.
- Unklejoe 6y ago
  Because it feels good to support your immediate neighbor?
TaylorAlexander 6y ago
Rent in SF is fine! I just live in a one bedroom with 3 people. :-D
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ABeeSea 6y ago
Unless you care about the environment of course. Arizona is an unsustainable amount of air conditioning to fight against deadly temperatures.
- wollstonecraft 6y ago
  Is Sweden using an unsustainable amount of heaters to fight against deadly winter temperatures? Air conditioning is much more efficient than a heater. Arizona will usually only get more than 15 degrees warmer than a comfortable indoor temperature. In places with cold winters, sometimes temperatures will get more than 25 degrees cooler than a comfortable indoor temperature.
  - xxs 6y ago
    >will get more than 25 degrees cooler than a comfortable indoor temperature. Saying comfortable to be 22-24C, 25 is just barely below zero. North Europe standard winter conditions are far lower...
- L_Rahman 6y ago
  That is the case now, but this does not have to be true. It's entirely possible for Arizona to meet its household energy needs renewably.
- Robotbeat 6y ago
  It’s also technically one of the easiest places in the US to provide all your energy by yourself with solar.
  - WillPostForFood 6y ago
    AZ also has the largest nuclear power plant in the country, supplying 27% of the state's electricity.
- imjustsaying 6y ago
  Arizona is electric unsustainable? California has rolling blackouts now
JAlexoid 6y ago
Sound pointlessly nationalist. Because of all of my electronics being assembled in China, there have been millions of people that were pulled out of poverty.
- readarticle 6y ago
  Sounds pointlessly globalist. In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans?
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    > In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans? Rising living standard means more consumers that can buy American goods, and it also means that the likelihood of civil war/uprisings due to poverty goes down, which in turn reduces the potential for wars.
    - readarticle 6y ago
      Assuming a vacuum, the larger market is always fair, but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context.
      - mschuster91 6y ago
        > but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context. Taking into account how much the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts have cost the US in money, how much lives and potential was lost, is actually easy. Don't get me wrong, it was a good intention to get rid of the Taliban and Saddam, but the execution failed horribly. And that were backyard 3rd world countries. A conflict involving China would be an utter bloodshed, especially if it devolves into nuclear war, and it would totally destroy the US and probably EU economy. We're seeing how much we depend on China now with the 'rona crisis, and that is a "China does their best effort to fulfill Western orders for anything from toys to medical PPE" scenario and not a "China is at war with the US and doesn't deliver anything to them and their allies" scenario. Politicians have also realized this but renationalizing even parts of what was outsourced to China will take decades. Until that happens China has the Western states by the balls, figuratively - and given how they acted with delivering PPE "donations" to Italy and other states that the EU left to fend alone they know this and are absolutely willing to use this as leverage to keep the US and EU from interfering in their eradications of Uighur Muslims and Tibetan people.

by blhack 6y ago

ulfw 6y ago

Nationalism is a powerful thing huh. I wouldn’t want to buy a ‘Made in CA’ iPhone. How would this be any different to one with chips made in Taiwan? Keep in mind Apple is sold around the world. Not everyone is American.

Unklejoe 6y ago
Because it feels good to support your immediate neighbor?

TaylorAlexander 6y ago

Rent in SF is fine! I just live in a one bedroom with 3 people. :-D

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ABeeSea 6y ago

Unless you care about the environment of course. Arizona is an unsustainable amount of air conditioning to fight against deadly temperatures.

wollstonecraft 6y ago
Is Sweden using an unsustainable amount of heaters to fight against deadly winter temperatures? Air conditioning is much more efficient than a heater. Arizona will usually only get more than 15 degrees warmer than a comfortable indoor temperature. In places with cold winters, sometimes temperatures will get more than 25 degrees cooler than a comfortable indoor temperature.
- xxs 6y ago
  >will get more than 25 degrees cooler than a comfortable indoor temperature. Saying comfortable to be 22-24C, 25 is just barely below zero. North Europe standard winter conditions are far lower...
L_Rahman 6y ago
That is the case now, but this does not have to be true. It's entirely possible for Arizona to meet its household energy needs renewably.
Robotbeat 6y ago
It’s also technically one of the easiest places in the US to provide all your energy by yourself with solar.
- WillPostForFood 6y ago
  AZ also has the largest nuclear power plant in the country, supplying 27% of the state's electricity.
imjustsaying 6y ago
Arizona is electric unsustainable? California has rolling blackouts now

JAlexoid 6y ago

Sound pointlessly nationalist. Because of all of my electronics being assembled in China, there have been millions of people that were pulled out of poverty.

readarticle 6y ago
Sounds pointlessly globalist. In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans?
- mschuster91 6y ago
  > In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans? Rising living standard means more consumers that can buy American goods, and it also means that the likelihood of civil war/uprisings due to poverty goes down, which in turn reduces the potential for wars.
  - readarticle 6y ago
    Assuming a vacuum, the larger market is always fair, but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context.
    - mschuster91 6y ago
      > but I don’t see how it’s at all possible to value the presence or absence of conflict without a context. Taking into account how much the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts have cost the US in money, how much lives and potential was lost, is actually easy. Don't get me wrong, it was a good intention to get rid of the Taliban and Saddam, but the execution failed horribly. And that were backyard 3rd world countries. A conflict involving China would be an utter bloodshed, especially if it devolves into nuclear war, and it would totally destroy the US and probably EU economy. We're seeing how much we depend on China now with the 'rona crisis, and that is a "China does their best effort to fulfill Western orders for anything from toys to medical PPE" scenario and not a "China is at war with the US and doesn't deliver anything to them and their allies" scenario. Politicians have also realized this but renationalizing even parts of what was outsourced to China will take decades. Until that happens China has the Western states by the balls, figuratively - and given how they acted with delivering PPE "donations" to Italy and other states that the EU left to fend alone they know this and are absolutely willing to use this as leverage to keep the US and EU from interfering in their eradications of Uighur Muslims and Tibetan people.