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> I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexual harassment or unlawful termination.

> I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexual harassment or unlawful termination. I don't think it should be considered unlawful termination. Someones behaviour outside work definitely has an impact on the business they're a part of. Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, SW has a very real stigma attached to it that could hurt the business reputation. That's a risk the business must take into account. It's like if someone were to attend white supremacist rallies on the weekends. It may not directly affect their ability to perform their role but I suspect we'd agree that it's justified if a business terminated someone for that reason. Reputation is one aspect, but another aspect from a business perspective that I haven't seen discussed too much is the effect it could have on coworkers' performance. Say a woman has an OnlyFans and somehow her male colleagues find out. It would be at least a little bit distracting for them and could cause their productivity to drop. This is again a liability the business has to consider. I'm not saying the stigma or termination is _right_ or _just_ in this case but it's just the reality of the world we live in and it will take generations to change that. EDIT: To add a little bit about the sexual harassment aspect. I'm not sure where I fall on this. Say a woman works a side job as a stripper and one of her colleagues accidentally visits the strip club where she works. I would say it's not sexual harassment to visit the club the first time when they are unaware she works there. However if they were to solicit a private dance from her then I would consider that sexual harassment. I'm not sure exactly how that relates to viewing someones photos online accidentally vs paying for their only fans but I think it's somewhat similar. And what about repeatedly visiting the club/public photos? Visiting the club again probably is harassment depending on whether or not she is working that night but viewing the photos again probably not if she's not aware of it. It's a pretty large grey area with this part and it's difficult to form a solid opinion or even a rule without assessing things case-by-case.

victorhooi 6y ago
I think your arguments are a little disingenuous, to put it mildly. 1. You compare an adult person selling nude photos of themselves to somebody attending a white supremacist rally.... Surely you can see the difference here? One is perhaps amoral, by traditional Christian/religious values, but not illegal - just like blasphemy or swearing is no longer illegal in most parts of the world. And religious points aside, an adult selling photos of themselves without clothes on doesn't hurt anybody. White supremacy on the other hand is closely entwined with racial discrimination - which is illegal, and does hurt people. 2. You say that it could negatively impact coworkers performance, as it might distract them. Assuming that the videos are made on personal time, and not during work hours or during work time - I fail to see how this is the person's fault. This is victim blaming - which is a terrible thing. It's like saying a girl is "asking for it" based on the clothing she wears (which people have used in parts of the world to justify rape) - except in this case, it's what she wears at home, away from you. 3. Sexual harassment I'm not going to weigh in here - this is a seriously nuanced topic with a lot of emotional content that can trigger people, and I'd make a mess of it. All this being said - I always find it funny how Americans seem perfectly fine with insane amounts of bloody, gore and violence in television, film and games - but any hint of sexual impropriety or nudity immediately triggers them. Oh, you can to show somebody getting decapitated, or having their fingernails torn off? Sure, that's fine, that's a normal action film. Aha, you want to show a nude man from the front? Nope, can't do that. Oh, you want to show a woman's cleavage? Err, you're not going to get a M rating. From what I've seen, the Europeans don't seem to have the same hangups about nudity or the human form. I'm not a historian - but I wonder if perhaps it's the American Protestant heritage?

victorhooi 6y ago

I think your arguments are a little disingenuous, to put it mildly. 1. You compare an adult person selling nude photos of themselves to somebody attending a white supremacist rally.... Surely you can see the difference here? One is perhaps amoral, by traditional Christian/religious values, but not illegal - just like blasphemy or swearing is no longer illegal in most parts of the world. And religious points aside, an adult selling photos of themselves without clothes on doesn't hurt anybody. White supremacy on the other hand is closely entwined with racial discrimination - which is illegal, and does hurt people. 2. You say that it could negatively impact coworkers performance, as it might distract them. Assuming that the videos are made on personal time, and not during work hours or during work time - I fail to see how this is the person's fault. This is victim blaming - which is a terrible thing. It's like saying a girl is "asking for it" based on the clothing she wears (which people have used in parts of the world to justify rape) - except in this case, it's what she wears at home, away from you. 3. Sexual harassment I'm not going to weigh in here - this is a seriously nuanced topic with a lot of emotional content that can trigger people, and I'd make a mess of it. All this being said - I always find it funny how Americans seem perfectly fine with insane amounts of bloody, gore and violence in television, film and games - but any hint of sexual impropriety or nudity immediately triggers them. Oh, you can to show somebody getting decapitated, or having their fingernails torn off? Sure, that's fine, that's a normal action film. Aha, you want to show a nude man from the front? Nope, can't do that. Oh, you want to show a woman's cleavage? Err, you're not going to get a M rating. From what I've seen, the Europeans don't seem to have the same hangups about nudity or the human form. I'm not a historian - but I wonder if perhaps it's the American Protestant heritage?