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> You have no way to know that “our experience of life is always changing.” The experience we have is always changing, even if our material condition stay the

by w3mmpp 6y ago

> You have no way to know that “our experience of life is always changing.” The experience we have is always changing, even if our material condition stay the same. That's what I mean here. > Maybe the people who died on the bridge would’ve hated surviving? Sure, at that moment, but what about 3 days later, or 3 months, who can tell? So, my argument here is in life, nothing is permanent, while death is.

paulcole 6y ago
> my argument here is in life, nothing is permanent Your argument is based only on your own experience and what you’ve chosen to hear from others. Can you acknowledge the possibility that for some people the miserable experience of their life is permanent?
- meiraleal 6y ago
  But can you acknowledge that these people are probably reinforcing the miserable experience by their own? And that's why it looks like it is permanent?
  - paulcole 6y ago
    No, I can’t. I can acknowledge it might be true for some of those people. But there are a whole fucking lot of people. But when it comes to this, I’m not going to be so arrogant and self-centered as to say something that I believe applies to all of them.
    - meiraleal 6y ago
      Your misery doesn't make the whole world miserable, paulcole. I bet you have at least one thing that if you could fix asap, with the solution you want, may it be money, love, health, or anithing else, you would not be permanently miserable as you have been saying you are. So if it can be fixed and improved, even if you lack the willpower to go forward, it is not permanent. You make it permanent, and I definitely don't care or form my world view based on desperate losers.
      - abellerose 6y ago
        What you're communicating is the blame is on the person suffering if we simplify it. That assumption is not correct and it's arguable based on what ideology you prescribe to. Some people understand determinism and realize people don't have free will because it's simply an illusion. So people that suffer throughout life without finding a solution are just suffering because of how the universe made the unique conditions at birth for them suffer while the summation of external forces upon them progresses the suffering. I always try to keep in mind that not everyone has a happy life or I should write not even a painless life is obtainable for everyone. In any case I think it makes me more compassionate for people I shouldn't be able to judge and specifically not attempt at blaming them individually for wanting death instead of thinking life is special for them to force themselves to live.
        meiraleal 6y ago
        Nobody is talking about everyone having a happy life. But if you are suffering the whole life and not with a terminal disease, you played life wrong. There are tons of social levers that can be used for one to not suffer the same thing a whole existence. If NOTHING is interesting to someone, that's definitely not a misery problem but a ego problem. I don't care about anyone else egos miserability if they don't want to improve. There is always a step forward, even in the pain. Pretty much every american problem is small compared to afghans problems but you still have lots of people happy there so I don't buy this "my whole existence is shit" approach.
        abellerose 6y ago
        You seem to have an ego problem if you dismiss the possibility that people are stuck in a suffering life outside their control. Every life is unique with how circumstances are for the person and the order of events that follow. Blaming the person for not doing something is a scapegoat without any proof that things could have been different if the person tried whatever. Also comparing someone living in poverty or being homeless while somehow being happy isn't going to help someone is different circumstances that's suffering intolerable pain with wanting to just die. Life isn't so special to everyone and similar to how not everyone believes in God. People are different and which is why I think it's more compassionate to not be so rigid with forcing people to live if they don't wish to.

by w3mmpp 6y ago

paulcole 6y ago

> my argument here is in life, nothing is permanent Your argument is based only on your own experience and what you’ve chosen to hear from others. Can you acknowledge the possibility that for some people the miserable experience of their life is permanent?

meiraleal 6y ago
But can you acknowledge that these people are probably reinforcing the miserable experience by their own? And that's why it looks like it is permanent?
- paulcole 6y ago
  No, I can’t. I can acknowledge it might be true for some of those people. But there are a whole fucking lot of people. But when it comes to this, I’m not going to be so arrogant and self-centered as to say something that I believe applies to all of them.
  - meiraleal 6y ago
    Your misery doesn't make the whole world miserable, paulcole. I bet you have at least one thing that if you could fix asap, with the solution you want, may it be money, love, health, or anithing else, you would not be permanently miserable as you have been saying you are. So if it can be fixed and improved, even if you lack the willpower to go forward, it is not permanent. You make it permanent, and I definitely don't care or form my world view based on desperate losers.
    - abellerose 6y ago
      What you're communicating is the blame is on the person suffering if we simplify it. That assumption is not correct and it's arguable based on what ideology you prescribe to. Some people understand determinism and realize people don't have free will because it's simply an illusion. So people that suffer throughout life without finding a solution are just suffering because of how the universe made the unique conditions at birth for them suffer while the summation of external forces upon them progresses the suffering. I always try to keep in mind that not everyone has a happy life or I should write not even a painless life is obtainable for everyone. In any case I think it makes me more compassionate for people I shouldn't be able to judge and specifically not attempt at blaming them individually for wanting death instead of thinking life is special for them to force themselves to live.
      - meiraleal 6y ago
        Nobody is talking about everyone having a happy life. But if you are suffering the whole life and not with a terminal disease, you played life wrong. There are tons of social levers that can be used for one to not suffer the same thing a whole existence. If NOTHING is interesting to someone, that's definitely not a misery problem but a ego problem. I don't care about anyone else egos miserability if they don't want to improve. There is always a step forward, even in the pain. Pretty much every american problem is small compared to afghans problems but you still have lots of people happy there so I don't buy this "my whole existence is shit" approach.
        abellerose 6y ago
        You seem to have an ego problem if you dismiss the possibility that people are stuck in a suffering life outside their control. Every life is unique with how circumstances are for the person and the order of events that follow. Blaming the person for not doing something is a scapegoat without any proof that things could have been different if the person tried whatever. Also comparing someone living in poverty or being homeless while somehow being happy isn't going to help someone is different circumstances that's suffering intolerable pain with wanting to just die. Life isn't so special to everyone and similar to how not everyone believes in God. People are different and which is why I think it's more compassionate to not be so rigid with forcing people to live if they don't wish to.