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Can you explain what is morally wrong with buying or selling sex? I’m not “trendy”, it’s a deeply held philosophical belief about individual freedom.

MuffinFlavored 6y ago
I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.
- seibelj 6y ago
  It doesn't matter what anyone feels "proud" about. I wouldn't be proud of my daughter being a tax accountant, I would rather she was a porn star (I am 100% serious - porn stars add value to society and make people happy). We live in a free society, and if someone wants to be filmed naked, or paid to have sex, that's their decision to make regardless if it makes you feel icky. I hope you have spent your whole life abstaining from pornography, because you must feel a great deal of anger at them and shame for what they did.
  - klmadfejno 6y ago
    I would feel icky if all of my female colleagues who got laid off just now were economically compelled to have sex with people they didn't want to have sex with to pay for rent, food, and other debts. Lots of people have pretty shit deals. It's a free society, but they work as meat packers or facebook explicit content moderators. Not that free. I vastly prefer a system with switching costs (like needing to move somewhere where its legal) than one which puts a social burden on girls to do this when times are tough. "Porn star" sounds sex-positive, lucrative, and happy. Getting fucked by a landlord is a lot more grim.
    - viklove 6y ago
      > compelled to have sex with people they didn't want to have sex with So we're not talking about OnlyFans anymore are we? Also what about all the women who enjoy doing online sex work? Are you telling them they shouldn't be allowed to work a job they enjoy?
- elliekelly 6y ago
  I would be. And of my father/son/brother/grandpa too.
  - MuffinFlavored 6y ago
    Do you think you are better/more open-minded than somebody who would not be ok + would look down upon a member of their family performing sex work? The topic of sex work morality acceptance has a very "me versus them" vibe to it, much like left versus right in the US. Is there any middle ground of "you can do whatever you want, I am not infringing on your rights, but I personally disagree" that doesn't land the speaker into "time to get cancelled by the leftist mob for being a bigot" territory?
    - elliekelly 6y ago
      Can I answer your first question with a question: do you think you are better than somebody who performs sex work? As for middle ground I understand that some people might “personally disagree” and I get that. There are a lot of things in the world that I personally disagree with, too. Like marriage, for example. I wouldn’t be caught dead getting married. But I understand that some people want to and it makes some people happy. And even though I choose not to participate I still support my friends and family who do. The difference, in my mind, is “X is not right for me” vs “X is not right”. One is about personal opinion and the other is about forcing that opinion onto others who might not share it.
- heromal 6y ago
  Because they wouldn't. These idiot redditors just like these kind of leftist circlejerks

MuffinFlavored 6y ago

I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.

seibelj 6y ago
It doesn't matter what anyone feels "proud" about. I wouldn't be proud of my daughter being a tax accountant, I would rather she was a porn star (I am 100% serious - porn stars add value to society and make people happy). We live in a free society, and if someone wants to be filmed naked, or paid to have sex, that's their decision to make regardless if it makes you feel icky. I hope you have spent your whole life abstaining from pornography, because you must feel a great deal of anger at them and shame for what they did.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  I would feel icky if all of my female colleagues who got laid off just now were economically compelled to have sex with people they didn't want to have sex with to pay for rent, food, and other debts. Lots of people have pretty shit deals. It's a free society, but they work as meat packers or facebook explicit content moderators. Not that free. I vastly prefer a system with switching costs (like needing to move somewhere where its legal) than one which puts a social burden on girls to do this when times are tough. "Porn star" sounds sex-positive, lucrative, and happy. Getting fucked by a landlord is a lot more grim.
  - viklove 6y ago
    > compelled to have sex with people they didn't want to have sex with So we're not talking about OnlyFans anymore are we? Also what about all the women who enjoy doing online sex work? Are you telling them they shouldn't be allowed to work a job they enjoy?
elliekelly 6y ago
I would be. And of my father/son/brother/grandpa too.
- MuffinFlavored 6y ago
  Do you think you are better/more open-minded than somebody who would not be ok + would look down upon a member of their family performing sex work? The topic of sex work morality acceptance has a very "me versus them" vibe to it, much like left versus right in the US. Is there any middle ground of "you can do whatever you want, I am not infringing on your rights, but I personally disagree" that doesn't land the speaker into "time to get cancelled by the leftist mob for being a bigot" territory?
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    Can I answer your first question with a question: do you think you are better than somebody who performs sex work? As for middle ground I understand that some people might “personally disagree” and I get that. There are a lot of things in the world that I personally disagree with, too. Like marriage, for example. I wouldn’t be caught dead getting married. But I understand that some people want to and it makes some people happy. And even though I choose not to participate I still support my friends and family who do. The difference, in my mind, is “X is not right for me” vs “X is not right”. One is about personal opinion and the other is about forcing that opinion onto others who might not share it.
heromal 6y ago
Because they wouldn't. These idiot redditors just like these kind of leftist circlejerks