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Does the normalization of women getting rich and living lavish, bourgeoise lifestyles from selling their bodies help or hurt the perception of women? Even befo

Does the normalization of women getting rich and living lavish, bourgeoise lifestyles from selling their bodies help or hurt the perception of women? Even before OnlyFans blew up, people(both men and women) already looked down on women who did sex work for a living. What do you think happens from here when every girl and their grandmother's has an OnlyFans? That's something every guy will probably be thinking about now when they are considering a girl to date. That is now something for employers to consider when hiring a woman. I'm not saying that's okay either, by the way. I'm just suggesting that that's what will happen. I'm not calling for a ban on sex work anyhow. Never did. I'm only voicing my concerns.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
I'm only voicing my concerns. And I'm doing my best to address those concerns. In a nutshell, I'm saying it's sort of neither here nor there whether we normalize the practice of women getting rich via selling their bodies. The general narrative goes something like this: "It's bad for women to make good money off of sex. We should stamp out this practice because it is immoral." Then I say "But how else can they make good money?" and I get told that's somehow beside the point. It's not beside the point. It is the point. If you want to empower women, worry about what is keeping them out of the C Suites of corporations and things like that. Don't worry about sex work. Worry about why trading on their looks or sexuality via sex work or in the course of being entertainers seems to be the only really good way for women to get rich on their own efforts. Women often turn to sex work because it's the only way they can make adequate money. This is why you see so many single moms working as exotic dancers and the like. Some of those women would do other things if it wasn't such a huge uphill battle. That's all I'm trying to say.
- mydongle 6y ago
  Sorry, there's really not much I can do to get women into C Suites of corporations and things like that. Poor and unemployed due to a pandemic and that kind of stuff. For guys like me, it's great that we get to have this huge abundance of porn from all kinds of girls who would've never done it before. I just feel very sad for the girls and boys who never consented or signed up for this fucked up clown world we've got now. That's all I wanted to say. I am not calling for a ban. I'm just pointing out that this does not help women and in fact only hurts women in the long game.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    Sorry, there's really not much I can do I don't think this is true. I think ordinary guys have access to knowledge that most women lack and just talking with women and taking their issues seriously makes a real and meaningful difference. So thank you for conversing with me (as opposed to pissing all over me or just being blatantly dismissive). I am not calling for a ban. I'm sorry that you feel accused. I'm not trying to accuse you. But the logical outcome of your objections is a ban, if everyone agrees that you are right. I'm just pointing out that this does not help women and in fact only hurts women in the long game. I don't believe this is true. I believe this framing is rooted in broader cultural practices where a woman's sexuality doesn't really belong to her. It's a double standard that needs to be stamped out. But I've had enough of sounding fighty on the internet for one day. So I will likely bow out of this conversation at this point. Have a good day.
    - mydongle 6y ago
      The logical outcome of my objections is not a ban. I don't know why that has to be the case. Like you say, if we did more for women, they wouldn't have to do sex work. Then there would only be a small amount of women who do sex work purely because of passion, not because they were broken and grinded down by a profoundly sick society.
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- mydongle 6y ago
  I feel the same about those Twitch streamers. I really dislike opportunistic people trying to cash in on something they wouldn't be interested in if not for money. It cheapens the thing that is supposed to be a passion for others. Too many Twitch streamers and Youtubers who don't provide much value other than being a pretty face. The idea of Twitch was supposed to be rewarding gamers for their hard work and passion doing something that at first wasn't profitable at all to do full time until their efforts proved that a market was there. Now it's a glorified camwhore site.
  - guevara 6y ago
    > Glorified camwhore site Pretty much it, the jokes of Twitch being Chaturbate Lite are all too true. Worse is that they push the "Just Chatting" section too since they know it draws in a lot of viewers.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  > they don't have a real job and want to get rewarded for minimal effort Most people on OnlyFans have a “real” job and are using the platform to supplement their income. Not unlike people who drive for Uber on nights/weekends.

DoreenMichele 6y ago

I'm only voicing my concerns. And I'm doing my best to address those concerns. In a nutshell, I'm saying it's sort of neither here nor there whether we normalize the practice of women getting rich via selling their bodies. The general narrative goes something like this: "It's bad for women to make good money off of sex. We should stamp out this practice because it is immoral." Then I say "But how else can they make good money?" and I get told that's somehow beside the point. It's not beside the point. It is the point. If you want to empower women, worry about what is keeping them out of the C Suites of corporations and things like that. Don't worry about sex work. Worry about why trading on their looks or sexuality via sex work or in the course of being entertainers seems to be the only really good way for women to get rich on their own efforts. Women often turn to sex work because it's the only way they can make adequate money. This is why you see so many single moms working as exotic dancers and the like. Some of those women would do other things if it wasn't such a huge uphill battle. That's all I'm trying to say.

mydongle 6y ago
Sorry, there's really not much I can do to get women into C Suites of corporations and things like that. Poor and unemployed due to a pandemic and that kind of stuff. For guys like me, it's great that we get to have this huge abundance of porn from all kinds of girls who would've never done it before. I just feel very sad for the girls and boys who never consented or signed up for this fucked up clown world we've got now. That's all I wanted to say. I am not calling for a ban. I'm just pointing out that this does not help women and in fact only hurts women in the long game.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  Sorry, there's really not much I can do I don't think this is true. I think ordinary guys have access to knowledge that most women lack and just talking with women and taking their issues seriously makes a real and meaningful difference. So thank you for conversing with me (as opposed to pissing all over me or just being blatantly dismissive). I am not calling for a ban. I'm sorry that you feel accused. I'm not trying to accuse you. But the logical outcome of your objections is a ban, if everyone agrees that you are right. I'm just pointing out that this does not help women and in fact only hurts women in the long game. I don't believe this is true. I believe this framing is rooted in broader cultural practices where a woman's sexuality doesn't really belong to her. It's a double standard that needs to be stamped out. But I've had enough of sounding fighty on the internet for one day. So I will likely bow out of this conversation at this point. Have a good day.
  - mydongle 6y ago
    The logical outcome of my objections is not a ban. I don't know why that has to be the case. Like you say, if we did more for women, they wouldn't have to do sex work. Then there would only be a small amount of women who do sex work purely because of passion, not because they were broken and grinded down by a profoundly sick society.

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mydongle 6y ago
I feel the same about those Twitch streamers. I really dislike opportunistic people trying to cash in on something they wouldn't be interested in if not for money. It cheapens the thing that is supposed to be a passion for others. Too many Twitch streamers and Youtubers who don't provide much value other than being a pretty face. The idea of Twitch was supposed to be rewarding gamers for their hard work and passion doing something that at first wasn't profitable at all to do full time until their efforts proved that a market was there. Now it's a glorified camwhore site.
- guevara 6y ago
  > Glorified camwhore site Pretty much it, the jokes of Twitch being Chaturbate Lite are all too true. Worse is that they push the "Just Chatting" section too since they know it draws in a lot of viewers.
elliekelly 6y ago
> they don't have a real job and want to get rewarded for minimal effort Most people on OnlyFans have a “real” job and are using the platform to supplement their income. Not unlike people who drive for Uber on nights/weekends.