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Well, if you want a much more in-depth discussion (at least if you follow the links...) with examples than Wikipedia, you could do a lot worse than checking tvt

Well, if you want a much more in-depth discussion (at least if you follow the links...) with examples than Wikipedia, you could do a lot worse than checking tvtropes.org.[1] P.S. Sorry in advance for the loss in productivity to anyone that clicks though and doesn't know what they're in for... 1: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsGun https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsGun

RaycatRakittra 6y ago
+1 for all statements regarding TVTropes. It isn't "just a click", trust.
- moon2 6y ago
  Sure isn't just a click. Once you get in, you can never get out of a rabbit hole of hyperlinks. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuin...
  - baxtr 6y ago
    For F*cks sake. I didn’t know that page until now. I already got lost reading 4 articles in a row. Thanks for ruining my life
    - moon2 6y ago
      You can be optimistic and read this one https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/TVTropesWil...
  - detaro 6y ago
    > These steps will help: > - Stay away from tabbed browsing. really good suggestion!
brandmeyer 6y ago
tvtropes covers so much ground, that I don't know where to start on this one, but maybe you can help me out. There is a category of story device that goes so far as to become more of a storytelling crutch. Or a wheelchair. Some examples from Star Trek that come to mind (since I'm re-watching TNG right about now): - Holodeck: Totally new environments on a whim! Just in case FTL travel wasn't enough! - Troi's empathy sense. Why script and act your way to communicate a character's emotional state when she can just tell you! - Multiple-universes time travel. Why stick with an existing world and its background when you can just replace it! - Technobabble. Solves any problem! Causes any problem! - The Q. Omnipotence itself! To be fair, Voyager did manage to tell some better stories with this one.
- kbenson 6y ago
  There's definitely a middle ground with tropes, but I think it's also era dependent (and likely cyclical). Some tropes have periods in time when they come into heavy use because people are enjoying them (or there's a new twist to be done with new technological, cultural or social changes), and then become overused a too "tropey" because everyone starts recognizing them. I suspect there may have been a different level of acceptability to some of those tropes (or those tropes in that genre) at the time that series first aired, possibly because of a dearth of good science fiction on TV.
  - SilverCurve 6y ago
    I agree. There may be tropes that right now we want to see more, but in a few years will be viewed as "tropey".
- ravenstine 6y ago
  While those are plot conveniences, it's still possible to create a good story using those tropes. In fact, some would argue that some of those tropes are what make Star Trek great. Good episodes have come from including the holodeck, Troi(yes, I would say that "Face of the Enemy" was pretty good), time travel and multiple-universes, technobabble, and Q. Chekov's Gun can rarely, if ever, improve a story. While a lot of people seem to fall for Chekov's Gun, I don't think that those who are aware of it usually consider it to be a mark of a good story. At worst, it's obvious that the writer is bullshitting its audience. Chekov's Gun is just one of the many reasons why Abrams/Kurtzman Star Trek is basically on fire right now. > - Multiple-universes time travel. Why stick with an existing world and its background when you can just replace it! I don't think people are bothered by time travel plots because of the infinite possibilities to change the setting. They dislike time travel because it's usually too easy to travel through time, and shows or movies rarely adhere to any consistent time travel mechanics. Time travel stories are good at conveying high stakes, but they almost always lack any real consequences. When someone brings up time travel as a solution, nobody ever says "You know, the last time we traveled through time, we all nearly got killed and almost destroyed the universe."

RaycatRakittra 6y ago

+1 for all statements regarding TVTropes. It isn't "just a click", trust.

moon2 6y ago
Sure isn't just a click. Once you get in, you can never get out of a rabbit hole of hyperlinks. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuin...
- baxtr 6y ago
  For F*cks sake. I didn’t know that page until now. I already got lost reading 4 articles in a row. Thanks for ruining my life
  - moon2 6y ago
    You can be optimistic and read this one https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/TVTropesWil...
- detaro 6y ago
  > These steps will help: > - Stay away from tabbed browsing. really good suggestion!

brandmeyer 6y ago

tvtropes covers so much ground, that I don't know where to start on this one, but maybe you can help me out. There is a category of story device that goes so far as to become more of a storytelling crutch. Or a wheelchair. Some examples from Star Trek that come to mind (since I'm re-watching TNG right about now): - Holodeck: Totally new environments on a whim! Just in case FTL travel wasn't enough! - Troi's empathy sense. Why script and act your way to communicate a character's emotional state when she can just tell you! - Multiple-universes time travel. Why stick with an existing world and its background when you can just replace it! - Technobabble. Solves any problem! Causes any problem! - The Q. Omnipotence itself! To be fair, Voyager did manage to tell some better stories with this one.

kbenson 6y ago
There's definitely a middle ground with tropes, but I think it's also era dependent (and likely cyclical). Some tropes have periods in time when they come into heavy use because people are enjoying them (or there's a new twist to be done with new technological, cultural or social changes), and then become overused a too "tropey" because everyone starts recognizing them. I suspect there may have been a different level of acceptability to some of those tropes (or those tropes in that genre) at the time that series first aired, possibly because of a dearth of good science fiction on TV.
- SilverCurve 6y ago
  I agree. There may be tropes that right now we want to see more, but in a few years will be viewed as "tropey".
ravenstine 6y ago
While those are plot conveniences, it's still possible to create a good story using those tropes. In fact, some would argue that some of those tropes are what make Star Trek great. Good episodes have come from including the holodeck, Troi(yes, I would say that "Face of the Enemy" was pretty good), time travel and multiple-universes, technobabble, and Q. Chekov's Gun can rarely, if ever, improve a story. While a lot of people seem to fall for Chekov's Gun, I don't think that those who are aware of it usually consider it to be a mark of a good story. At worst, it's obvious that the writer is bullshitting its audience. Chekov's Gun is just one of the many reasons why Abrams/Kurtzman Star Trek is basically on fire right now. > - Multiple-universes time travel. Why stick with an existing world and its background when you can just replace it! I don't think people are bothered by time travel plots because of the infinite possibilities to change the setting. They dislike time travel because it's usually too easy to travel through time, and shows or movies rarely adhere to any consistent time travel mechanics. Time travel stories are good at conveying high stakes, but they almost always lack any real consequences. When someone brings up time travel as a solution, nobody ever says "You know, the last time we traveled through time, we all nearly got killed and almost destroyed the universe."