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I disagree. I believe we've seen a sharp increase in political volatility worldwide, though it did not just happen, but has been happening since 2015. Up until

I disagree. I believe we've seen a sharp increase in political volatility worldwide, though it did not just happen, but has been happening since 2015. Up until about that point, the world had been dominated for a few decades by a relatively cohesive global consensus, which is now significantly more ragged. But I don't think the terms are well-defined enough to really debate this. I don't think your perspective is any more right or wrong than mine, because what is meant by "political volatility" is poorly defined.

sandworm101 7y ago
>> since 2015 Really? I seem to remember the bush years as being very divisive. The war(s). Gitmo. Hanging chads. Torturing people. Dick Cheney. Wiretapping ... it was bad.
- naasking 7y ago
  Not as many people cared or paid attention in the Bush years. A lot more people cared when Trump got elected, I think.
- pasquinelli 7y ago
  The bush admin was terrible, moreso i'd say than trump's, but the global neoliberal consensus was unshaken.
  - sarakayakomzin 7y ago
    >The bush admin was terrible, moreso i'd say than trump's what fucking planet are you on?
- sanderjd 7y ago
  Yes, really. I am not saying that volatility (again, by my personal definition, which I don't claim is universal) there was no volatility before, but rather that I see an inflection point around 2015. For example, I don't think there were ever polls asking whether President Bush should have been impeached, but if there had been, the level of support for it would have been tiny, despite all the things you listed. On the other hand, a majority or near majority of people polled regularly supported impeaching the current president. There are other examples in other countries. But again, I really don't think we have an objective standard to measure against, this is just what I see.

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I disagree. I believe we've seen a sharp increase in political volatility worldwide, though it did not just happen, but has been happening since 2015. Up until

by sanderjd 7y ago

sandworm101 7y ago
>> since 2015 Really? I seem to remember the bush years as being very divisive. The war(s). Gitmo. Hanging chads. Torturing people. Dick Cheney. Wiretapping ... it was bad.
- naasking 7y ago
  Not as many people cared or paid attention in the Bush years. A lot more people cared when Trump got elected, I think.
- pasquinelli 7y ago
  The bush admin was terrible, moreso i'd say than trump's, but the global neoliberal consensus was unshaken.
  - sarakayakomzin 7y ago
    >The bush admin was terrible, moreso i'd say than trump's what fucking planet are you on?
- sanderjd 7y ago
  Yes, really. I am not saying that volatility (again, by my personal definition, which I don't claim is universal) there was no volatility before, but rather that I see an inflection point around 2015. For example, I don't think there were ever polls asking whether President Bush should have been impeached, but if there had been, the level of support for it would have been tiny, despite all the things you listed. On the other hand, a majority or near majority of people polled regularly supported impeaching the current president. There are other examples in other countries. But again, I really don't think we have an objective standard to measure against, this is just what I see.