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Honestly, this doesn't read like Markov chain output. It feels more like a human writing what they think a Markov chain would do. Or maybe autogenerating a bit

by jsnell 6y ago

Honestly, this doesn't read like Markov chain output. It feels more like a human writing what they think a Markov chain would do. Or maybe autogenerating a bit of it and then having the human riff on whatever nonsense the generator produced to fill in most of the song.

jmknoll 6y ago
The creator of something similar (but with Nickelback) posted on Reddit last week and went into a bit more detail, but essentially, he created a bunch of lyrics with a markov chain, then arranged them into the structure of a song. https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/gc68t3/nickelbot_nobody_died_every_single_day_pop_rock_i/fp9gck9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/gc68t3/nickelbot_nob...
- jsnell 6y ago
  I don't buy that explanation, there's clearly a ton more human involvement here than just rearranging verses. The output is far too grammatical and maintains too much thematic consistency across filler word distance to be output by a low-order Markov chain, but is too unique compared to the (very small) corpus to be output by a high-order one.
creaghpatr 6y ago
The music is more or less the structure to For Those About to Rock by AC/DC (1). Pretty amusing though, and AC/DC would be a good test drive for an AI generator because the song structure and lyrics don't have a ton of breadth. (1) Compare to: https://youtu.be/fKhTk0IynHM?t=78 https://youtu.be/fKhTk0IynHM?t=78
remmargorp64 6y ago
Yeah, the whole notion of this being something generated with a markov chain feels too much like hype. The guy admitted on reddit that he manually cherry-picked and assembled the lyrics, and then he sang and recorded the song himself. For all intents and purposes, he might as well have just fed a bunch of AC/DC lyrics through a word randomizer and then assembled the new lyrics by hand. No AI or markov chains required. On the other hand, here is ACTUAL real music generated and played entirely by AI: https://openai.com/blog/musenet/ https://openai.com/blog/musenet/

by jsnell 6y ago

jmknoll 6y ago

The creator of something similar (but with Nickelback) posted on Reddit last week and went into a bit more detail, but essentially, he created a bunch of lyrics with a markov chain, then arranged them into the structure of a song. https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/gc68t3/nickelbot_nobody_died_every_single_day_pop_rock_i/fp9gck9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/gc68t3/nickelbot_nob...

jsnell 6y ago
I don't buy that explanation, there's clearly a ton more human involvement here than just rearranging verses. The output is far too grammatical and maintains too much thematic consistency across filler word distance to be output by a low-order Markov chain, but is too unique compared to the (very small) corpus to be output by a high-order one.

creaghpatr 6y ago

The music is more or less the structure to For Those About to Rock by AC/DC (1). Pretty amusing though, and AC/DC would be a good test drive for an AI generator because the song structure and lyrics don't have a ton of breadth. (1) Compare to: https://youtu.be/fKhTk0IynHM?t=78 https://youtu.be/fKhTk0IynHM?t=78

remmargorp64 6y ago

Yeah, the whole notion of this being something generated with a markov chain feels too much like hype. The guy admitted on reddit that he manually cherry-picked and assembled the lyrics, and then he sang and recorded the song himself. For all intents and purposes, he might as well have just fed a bunch of AC/DC lyrics through a word randomizer and then assembled the new lyrics by hand. No AI or markov chains required. On the other hand, here is ACTUAL real music generated and played entirely by AI: https://openai.com/blog/musenet/ https://openai.com/blog/musenet/