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It's rather disappointing that Tesla is still completely focused on the niche luxury market, though. The entire lineup of new models (Y, Roadster, Cybertruck) a

It's rather disappointing that Tesla is still completely focused on the niche luxury market, though. The entire lineup of new models (Y, Roadster, Cybertruck) are still just expensive toys for the upper class. They could build a stripped down "Model 2" with a 60kWh pack right now for $25k MSRP and totally change the car buying equation for most new buyers in the US.

rightnow 6y ago
Without the upper class buying the "expensive toys" there wouldn't be a tesla at all or electric cars this faar advanced. So maybe think about that before shitting and saying its toys. It's an electric car.
bogdanu 6y ago
Even if they would release a 25k$ car in EU it would cost way too much due to taxes.
cowmix 6y ago
They are delivering as much value as fast as possible given X metrics. The cheapest Model 3 price is within the ASP of the average US car, and it is good value. As soon as they can do cheaper, they will.
- aphextron 6y ago
  >The cheapest Model 3 price is within the ASP of the average US car, and it is good value. The average, sure. But nowhere near the median. Average prices in the US are heavily weighted by pickups and luxury sales. The median for new buyers is somewhere around $25k [0]. The cheapest Model 3 you can actually buy is still ~$40k without incentives. That's an $800 car payment - firmly in luxury territory. It won't be until the average joe can buy a 60kWh electric car for a $200 payment with a couple thousand down that EVs will go mainstream. At $80/kWh there's no reason Tesla couldn't do this right now. [0] https://www.concannonbc.com/how-much-does-a-typical-american-actually-pay-for-a-car/ https://www.concannonbc.com/how-much-does-a-typical-american...
  - pil4rin 6y ago
    What would be the incentive for this? There is still a heavy demand for cars 30k+, why would they stop doing that for a cheaper car when they are selling every car they are producing at a higher profit? This is currently an issue of manufacturing capacity, accompanied by a demand curve the 3 set in place.

rightnow 6y ago

Without the upper class buying the "expensive toys" there wouldn't be a tesla at all or electric cars this faar advanced. So maybe think about that before shitting and saying its toys. It's an electric car.

bogdanu 6y ago

Even if they would release a 25k$ car in EU it would cost way too much due to taxes.

cowmix 6y ago

They are delivering as much value as fast as possible given X metrics. The cheapest Model 3 price is within the ASP of the average US car, and it is good value. As soon as they can do cheaper, they will.

aphextron 6y ago
>The cheapest Model 3 price is within the ASP of the average US car, and it is good value. The average, sure. But nowhere near the median. Average prices in the US are heavily weighted by pickups and luxury sales. The median for new buyers is somewhere around $25k [0]. The cheapest Model 3 you can actually buy is still ~$40k without incentives. That's an $800 car payment - firmly in luxury territory. It won't be until the average joe can buy a 60kWh electric car for a $200 payment with a couple thousand down that EVs will go mainstream. At $80/kWh there's no reason Tesla couldn't do this right now. [0] https://www.concannonbc.com/how-much-does-a-typical-american-actually-pay-for-a-car/ https://www.concannonbc.com/how-much-does-a-typical-american...
- pil4rin 6y ago
  What would be the incentive for this? There is still a heavy demand for cars 30k+, why would they stop doing that for a cheaper car when they are selling every car they are producing at a higher profit? This is currently an issue of manufacturing capacity, accompanied by a demand curve the 3 set in place.