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... and Pascal ! Many languages are superior to C/C++ C/C++ just wins from the amount of available libraries and high-quality implementations.

gnulinux 6y ago
I don't understand what people are trying to categorize when they say C/C++. They're incredibly different languages. It's hard to find similarities between C and modern C++ (C++2x flavor). If we put C and C++ under the same umbrella, why not put Java there too? I just think when you say C/C++ you need to clarify what exactly do you mean by that.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  C/C++ => C and C++, simple plain English grammar simplification. Used all over the place in ISO C++ papers, official documentation from all compiler vendors, long gone famous magazines like 'The C/C++ Users Journal', reference books well respected in the C++ community,.... Yet a couple of people still insist into making a point out of it, but don't start one when Java/C, Java/C++, C#/C++, Python/C,..., gets written somewhere.
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Maybe I'm too much of a pragmatist, but to me, the amount of available libraries and the quality of the implementations is part of what "superior" means. You may think that Pascal is superior on paper (that is, just the language specification). If we were programming on paper, that might matter. But we aren't.
- megameter 6y ago
  It's very task-dependent. If your needs are towards "indie software" that needs a snappy native UI and can make use of subprocesses to cover major dependencies, the Pascal options are really good and time-tested. It's probably underused for games in particular, in fact. Fast iteration times for game projects are a great selling point for contemporary use of Pascal, if you can justify the investment in engine code. If you are writing server backends, there is nothing interesting going on in Pascal and you will be scraping around to find the bindings to do what you need. Likewise with a number of other common industry tasks.

gnulinux 6y ago

I don't understand what people are trying to categorize when they say C/C++. They're incredibly different languages. It's hard to find similarities between C and modern C++ (C++2x flavor). If we put C and C++ under the same umbrella, why not put Java there too? I just think when you say C/C++ you need to clarify what exactly do you mean by that.

pjmlp 6y ago
C/C++ => C and C++, simple plain English grammar simplification. Used all over the place in ISO C++ papers, official documentation from all compiler vendors, long gone famous magazines like 'The C/C++ Users Journal', reference books well respected in the C++ community,.... Yet a couple of people still insist into making a point out of it, but don't start one when Java/C, Java/C++, C#/C++, Python/C,..., gets written somewhere.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

Maybe I'm too much of a pragmatist, but to me, the amount of available libraries and the quality of the implementations is part of what "superior" means. You may think that Pascal is superior on paper (that is, just the language specification). If we were programming on paper, that might matter. But we aren't.

megameter 6y ago
It's very task-dependent. If your needs are towards "indie software" that needs a snappy native UI and can make use of subprocesses to cover major dependencies, the Pascal options are really good and time-tested. It's probably underused for games in particular, in fact. Fast iteration times for game projects are a great selling point for contemporary use of Pascal, if you can justify the investment in engine code. If you are writing server backends, there is nothing interesting going on in Pascal and you will be scraping around to find the bindings to do what you need. Likewise with a number of other common industry tasks.