> I'd like some source material on your claim about freedoms Let's start at the bottom then: >> The other countries you speak about have already lost their ri

> I'd like some source material on your claim about freedoms Let's start at the bottom then: >> The other countries you speak about have already lost their rights, or never had them to begin with. >and New Zealand is a tiny island, very easy to control What you're saying here is basically: "even if you back it up with source material, I'm going to claim the US is more diverse/different so it doesn't really apply." In other words, it's US exceptionalism both ways around, that is, circular reasoning. Why should anyone bother to try and have a good faith argument here?