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These are the kind of people who downvote if they disagree with an opinion / view. Don't be them.

DonHopkins 6y ago
We shouldn't downvote or ban people from which reddit community because we disagree with their opinion? /r/BeatingWomen? /r/Gore? /r/Incels? /r/FatPeopleHate? /r/Pizzagate? /r/The_Donald? /r/MensRights? /r/ShitN_ggersSay? /r/TransF_gs? /r/CreepShots? /r/TheRedPill? /r/WatchPeopleDie? Why, because it hurts their feelings? To protect them from the consequences of what they said, and ensure everyone has a chance to hear it? Downvoting is an exercise of free speech, too, you know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti...
- gjs278 6y ago
  so of that list, which one are you?
- __s 6y ago
  /r/WatchPeopleDie didn't have the toxicity of the rest of those subreddits. A lot of people felt it helped feel more in touch with how fragile life is
  - Markoff 6y ago
    indeed, learned there many useful things to make my life safer for starters always check eye contact with driver of big truck in front of you plan to cross the road i think i was already before shielding myself behind poles at junctions
    - Gibbon1 6y ago
      A friend and an old boss used to work in accident forensics and as an EMT respectively. First guy said, never stand with your toes over the curb. Second guy said two things. Never put your thumbs in the wheel. Because airbags will dislocate your thumbs. And if your toddler slips his car seat pull over then and there. Because in an accident toddlers go head first into the windshield.
- thu2111 6y ago
  /r/MensRights isn't controversial except to feminists. Have you looked at it? It covers topics like: - Biased justice systems - Double standards by feminists e.g. engaging in sexism - Anti-circumcision - False accusations - Unfair child custody practices and so on. The fact that you're conflating advocacy of men's rights with beating women is exactly why online forums have such horrible problems - people like you routinely try to shut down reasonable discussion by ludicrous comparisons to violence. I hope you certainly don't moderate any forums!
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    Oh, the biggest most horrible problem with online forums is that some men get accused of misogyny, but not the misogyny itself, huh? Denying the obvious and then blaming feminists certainly undercuts your own argument. Stop excusing and whitewashing misogyny. https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/08/27/rmensrights-reminds-me-why-i-dont-reddit/ https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/08/27/rmensrights-rem... r/MensRights reminds me why I don't Reddit A funny thing happened yesterday. I started seeing hits from Reddit. A lot of hits. Fully a fifth of my traffic came from a particular thread on Reddit — despite my being in a slow blogging period, posting my one post I managed very late in the day, and despite the long tail on my bigger posts already waning. So I clicked through to see what I was linked from, Turns out, it was r/MensRights, and they were opining that I’m a terrible human being, a beta mangina, and a sop for the Gynocracy because of this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1l5783/male_feminist_falsely_accused_of_rape_almost/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1l5783/male_fem... [...] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reddit#Extreme_misogyny https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reddit#Extreme_misogyny Extreme misogyny /r/mensrights One of the top gathering points for MRAs, because they really needed more of those. Notably, /r/mensrights was flagged by the Southern Poverty Law Center in a report about online misogyny.[97] [97] https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/misogyny-sites https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/... >Reddit: Mens Rights: A “subreddit” of the user-generated news site Reddit, this forum describes itself as a “place for people who feel that men are currently being disadvantaged by society.” While it presents itself as a home for men seeking equality, it is notable for the anger it shows toward any program designed to help women. It also trafficks in various conspiracy theories. “Kloo2yoo,” identified as a site moderator, writes that there is “undeniable proof” of an international feminist conspiracy involving the United Nations, the Obama Administration and others, aimed at demonizing men. Essentially full of outdated anti-feminist conspiracy theories, their contest to find the worst woman on the planet, and whining about any joke ever made with men as the punchline, while contributing fuckall to any gender debate. RationalWiki also annoys them. https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/gyj3yw/how-reddit-is-used-to-indoctrinate-young-men-into-becoming-misogynists https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/gyj3yw/how-reddit-is-used... How Reddit Is Used to Indoctrinate Young Men Into Becoming Misogynists. Reddit’s “involuntary celibate” group was taken down earlier this month after its anti-woman debate turned violent. But the problem is much larger than one subreddit. Amid a global conversation about sexual assault, a group of men complaining about their "involuntary celibacy" have lost their central platform. In the r/incels subreddit, young men wrote about how they couldn’t find women to have sex with. The subreddit, which had 40,000 users a week ago, was a casually misogynist forum that compared women to Nazis and so-called “Incels” to Jews, posited that rape is “just sex” and argued that we need to include “reverse rape”— not having sex with someone—in the #MeToo conversation. But it wasn’t until last week that the sub was banned for violent content, shortly after a young man turned to the forum to talk about his roommate, who he called “suicide fuel.” The user said it was painful to see his roommate, a “better human being,” have a girlfriend and talk about his close-knit family. Other members jumped in to offer advice to this man about his attractive roommate, a so-called “Chad” in incel speak. They encouraged and instructed the poster to castrate his roommate. Like other anti-women subreddits, r/incels has been catching heat for a while. It even spawned its own watchdog community r/inceltears, which remains to chronicle incel extremism. Reddit has not said what the exact comment was that led to their banning the subreddit for inciting violence. "Communities focused on this content and users who post such content will be banned from the site,” their statement said. “As of Nov. 7, r/Incels has been banned for violating this policy.” Reddit recently announced that they plan to re-tool their policy regarding violent content on the heels of an additional $200 million in venture capital funding. It began by cracking down on Nazi and white supremacist subreddits including r/Nazi, r/DylannRoofInnocent and r/farright. However, many misogynist subreddits, like r/MensRights, are still thriving. This isn’t Reddit’s first attempt to clean house: Its first round started after CEO Yishan Wong’s resignation in 2014 after a flurry caused by a Gawker expose on a Redditor heavily involved in subreddits like r/jailbait and r/creepshots. Interim CEO Ellen Pao, famous for suing Kleiner Perkins for sexism, instigated the first major cleanup, to user revolt: Many Redditors didn’t want to give up any subreddits, including those devoted to hating fat people or leaking celebrity nudes. Pao, squarely vilified during her tenure, did not last the full year as interim, leaving after eight months. (Pao later went on to describe how exclusion is entrenched in tech.) The glue of communities like r/incels is obvious: Men feel held back by the women who “have it easy.” And as with most online communities open to anyone with Internet connectivity, indoctrination is easy for an outsider to spot. (Though under special circumstances, open subreddits go underground: r/incels went private recently after a member posed as a woman in r/legaladvice for tips on getting away with rape.) If cults have taught us anything, it’s that the first rule of indoctrination is you (try to) get them while they’re young. Most Redditors are young men, and Reddit offers them unfettered ability to form and engage with “misogyny clusters”—anti-women communities that share DNA, but have distinct personalities and creeds. R/incels is a cousin of many other misogyny clusters on Reddit, including r/MensRights, r/MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way—those who opt out of the “mating dance”), and r/TheRedPill. [...]
- belorn 6y ago
  Looking at https://sandhoefner.github.io/reddit/ https://sandhoefner.github.io/reddit/, "MensRights" and "Feminism" looks pretty similar in term of words, and the most common words used on both is the exact same one. But then that is just one objective analyze of the subs. It would be interesting to know what kind of definitive standard tool we could use in order to define which subs should be banned. Looking at the Wikipedia article, their definition is that a sub is controversial if a reliable source (primarily a news paper) call a sub controversial, and such it list one feminist sub and one mens rights sub. It not the best definition of truth, as people in the education system and research community commonly points out, but as an approximation it gives the outline of the issue.
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We shouldn't downvote or ban people from which reddit community because we disagree with their opinion? /r/BeatingWomen? /r/Gore? /r/Incels? /r/FatPeopleHate? /r/Pizzagate? /r/The_Donald? /r/MensRights? /r/ShitN_ggersSay? /r/TransF_gs? /r/CreepShots? /r/TheRedPill? /r/WatchPeopleDie? Why, because it hurts their feelings? To protect them from the consequences of what they said, and ensure everyone has a chance to hear it? Downvoting is an exercise of free speech, too, you know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti...

gjs278 6y ago
so of that list, which one are you?
__s 6y ago
/r/WatchPeopleDie didn't have the toxicity of the rest of those subreddits. A lot of people felt it helped feel more in touch with how fragile life is
- Markoff 6y ago
  indeed, learned there many useful things to make my life safer for starters always check eye contact with driver of big truck in front of you plan to cross the road i think i was already before shielding myself behind poles at junctions
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    A friend and an old boss used to work in accident forensics and as an EMT respectively. First guy said, never stand with your toes over the curb. Second guy said two things. Never put your thumbs in the wheel. Because airbags will dislocate your thumbs. And if your toddler slips his car seat pull over then and there. Because in an accident toddlers go head first into the windshield.
thu2111 6y ago
/r/MensRights isn't controversial except to feminists. Have you looked at it? It covers topics like: - Biased justice systems - Double standards by feminists e.g. engaging in sexism - Anti-circumcision - False accusations - Unfair child custody practices and so on. The fact that you're conflating advocacy of men's rights with beating women is exactly why online forums have such horrible problems - people like you routinely try to shut down reasonable discussion by ludicrous comparisons to violence. I hope you certainly don't moderate any forums!
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Oh, the biggest most horrible problem with online forums is that some men get accused of misogyny, but not the misogyny itself, huh? Denying the obvious and then blaming feminists certainly undercuts your own argument. Stop excusing and whitewashing misogyny. https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/08/27/rmensrights-reminds-me-why-i-dont-reddit/ https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/08/27/rmensrights-rem... r/MensRights reminds me why I don't Reddit A funny thing happened yesterday. I started seeing hits from Reddit. A lot of hits. Fully a fifth of my traffic came from a particular thread on Reddit — despite my being in a slow blogging period, posting my one post I managed very late in the day, and despite the long tail on my bigger posts already waning. So I clicked through to see what I was linked from, Turns out, it was r/MensRights, and they were opining that I’m a terrible human being, a beta mangina, and a sop for the Gynocracy because of this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1l5783/male_feminist_falsely_accused_of_rape_almost/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1l5783/male_fem... [...] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reddit#Extreme_misogyny https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reddit#Extreme_misogyny Extreme misogyny /r/mensrights One of the top gathering points for MRAs, because they really needed more of those. Notably, /r/mensrights was flagged by the Southern Poverty Law Center in a report about online misogyny.[97] [97] https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/misogyny-sites https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/... >Reddit: Mens Rights: A “subreddit” of the user-generated news site Reddit, this forum describes itself as a “place for people who feel that men are currently being disadvantaged by society.” While it presents itself as a home for men seeking equality, it is notable for the anger it shows toward any program designed to help women. It also trafficks in various conspiracy theories. “Kloo2yoo,” identified as a site moderator, writes that there is “undeniable proof” of an international feminist conspiracy involving the United Nations, the Obama Administration and others, aimed at demonizing men. Essentially full of outdated anti-feminist conspiracy theories, their contest to find the worst woman on the planet, and whining about any joke ever made with men as the punchline, while contributing fuckall to any gender debate. RationalWiki also annoys them. https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/gyj3yw/how-reddit-is-used-to-indoctrinate-young-men-into-becoming-misogynists https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/gyj3yw/how-reddit-is-used... How Reddit Is Used to Indoctrinate Young Men Into Becoming Misogynists. Reddit’s “involuntary celibate” group was taken down earlier this month after its anti-woman debate turned violent. But the problem is much larger than one subreddit. Amid a global conversation about sexual assault, a group of men complaining about their "involuntary celibacy" have lost their central platform. In the r/incels subreddit, young men wrote about how they couldn’t find women to have sex with. The subreddit, which had 40,000 users a week ago, was a casually misogynist forum that compared women to Nazis and so-called “Incels” to Jews, posited that rape is “just sex” and argued that we need to include “reverse rape”— not having sex with someone—in the #MeToo conversation. But it wasn’t until last week that the sub was banned for violent content, shortly after a young man turned to the forum to talk about his roommate, who he called “suicide fuel.” The user said it was painful to see his roommate, a “better human being,” have a girlfriend and talk about his close-knit family. Other members jumped in to offer advice to this man about his attractive roommate, a so-called “Chad” in incel speak. They encouraged and instructed the poster to castrate his roommate. Like other anti-women subreddits, r/incels has been catching heat for a while. It even spawned its own watchdog community r/inceltears, which remains to chronicle incel extremism. Reddit has not said what the exact comment was that led to their banning the subreddit for inciting violence. "Communities focused on this content and users who post such content will be banned from the site,” their statement said. “As of Nov. 7, r/Incels has been banned for violating this policy.” Reddit recently announced that they plan to re-tool their policy regarding violent content on the heels of an additional $200 million in venture capital funding. It began by cracking down on Nazi and white supremacist subreddits including r/Nazi, r/DylannRoofInnocent and r/farright. However, many misogynist subreddits, like r/MensRights, are still thriving. This isn’t Reddit’s first attempt to clean house: Its first round started after CEO Yishan Wong’s resignation in 2014 after a flurry caused by a Gawker expose on a Redditor heavily involved in subreddits like r/jailbait and r/creepshots. Interim CEO Ellen Pao, famous for suing Kleiner Perkins for sexism, instigated the first major cleanup, to user revolt: Many Redditors didn’t want to give up any subreddits, including those devoted to hating fat people or leaking celebrity nudes. Pao, squarely vilified during her tenure, did not last the full year as interim, leaving after eight months. (Pao later went on to describe how exclusion is entrenched in tech.) The glue of communities like r/incels is obvious: Men feel held back by the women who “have it easy.” And as with most online communities open to anyone with Internet connectivity, indoctrination is easy for an outsider to spot. (Though under special circumstances, open subreddits go underground: r/incels went private recently after a member posed as a woman in r/legaladvice for tips on getting away with rape.) If cults have taught us anything, it’s that the first rule of indoctrination is you (try to) get them while they’re young. Most Redditors are young men, and Reddit offers them unfettered ability to form and engage with “misogyny clusters”—anti-women communities that share DNA, but have distinct personalities and creeds. R/incels is a cousin of many other misogyny clusters on Reddit, including r/MensRights, r/MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way—those who opt out of the “mating dance”), and r/TheRedPill. [...]
belorn 6y ago
Looking at https://sandhoefner.github.io/reddit/ https://sandhoefner.github.io/reddit/, "MensRights" and "Feminism" looks pretty similar in term of words, and the most common words used on both is the exact same one. But then that is just one objective analyze of the subs. It would be interesting to know what kind of definitive standard tool we could use in order to define which subs should be banned. Looking at the Wikipedia article, their definition is that a sub is controversial if a reliable source (primarily a news paper) call a sub controversial, and such it list one feminist sub and one mens rights sub. It not the best definition of truth, as people in the education system and research community commonly points out, but as an approximation it gives the outline of the issue.

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