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Presumably these invasive measures were instituted after the pandemic. Employees didn't agree to these measures when they accepted their jobs, so of course they

Presumably these invasive measures were instituted after the pandemic. Employees didn't agree to these measures when they accepted their jobs, so of course they have a right to be upset with their employers now. If these measures are unpopular, we shouldn't blame employees for being upset; instead, blame the employers for dictating those unpopular policies. Employees have little bargaining power here. While quitting is hypothetically an option (albeit realistically not necessarily), so is shaming. And I see nothing wrong with shaming companies for their stupid, dehumanizing initiatives.

_curious_ 6y ago
"Employees have little bargaining power here." They hold all the power, actually, unless you are one who does not believe in the power of self-agency because perhaps you've already relinquished yours? "While quitting is hypothetically an option (albeit realistically not necessarily), so is shaming. And I see nothing wrong with shaming companies for their stupid, dehumanizing initiatives." Hey, me either, what kind of management culture even does this!?
- panda-giddiness 6y ago
  > you are one who does not believe in the power of self-agency because perhaps you've already relinquished yours? It's hard for my response to be anything other than rolling my eyes. I'm a grad student. If my advisor demanded the ability to surveil me at all times, what would you expect me to do? Quit grad school, throwing away my last four years of work, because I have "self-agency"? No, I'd complain to some higher power -- in my case, the graduate student association or the university.
  - _curious_ 6y ago
    ...Is your default reaction to hearing an opinion you do not agree with or understand to roll your eyes? Thanks for describing what you would do in the situation. It sounds like you are the type who would accept it given the option of quitting or continuing, is that fair to say based off an incomplete answer? There's no right or wrong, there's simply choice in the matter we all have that power to choose :)

_curious_ 6y ago

"Employees have little bargaining power here." They hold all the power, actually, unless you are one who does not believe in the power of self-agency because perhaps you've already relinquished yours? "While quitting is hypothetically an option (albeit realistically not necessarily), so is shaming. And I see nothing wrong with shaming companies for their stupid, dehumanizing initiatives." Hey, me either, what kind of management culture even does this!?

panda-giddiness 6y ago
> you are one who does not believe in the power of self-agency because perhaps you've already relinquished yours? It's hard for my response to be anything other than rolling my eyes. I'm a grad student. If my advisor demanded the ability to surveil me at all times, what would you expect me to do? Quit grad school, throwing away my last four years of work, because I have "self-agency"? No, I'd complain to some higher power -- in my case, the graduate student association or the university.
- _curious_ 6y ago
  ...Is your default reaction to hearing an opinion you do not agree with or understand to roll your eyes? Thanks for describing what you would do in the situation. It sounds like you are the type who would accept it given the option of quitting or continuing, is that fair to say based off an incomplete answer? There's no right or wrong, there's simply choice in the matter we all have that power to choose :)