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You asked for the negatives, but please don't get me wrong. I really like the interface and many of the features of UE, and the tech behind it. It's just a sham

You asked for the negatives, but please don't get me wrong. I really like the interface and many of the features of UE, and the tech behind it. It's just a shame I felt forced to move away from it. Also, please keep in mind I'm not the typical person who is trying to get into gamedev on the side, as I'm a RMS loving, linux-only, most of my stack is gpl sorta dude. On the last point, you may be right, I might have been a bit hyperbolic but there are cases where I have seen it play out. One of my favorite games in the potential department was Mortal Online, but it constantly struggled with UE3 limitations despite official Epic support and moves with Atlas, etc (heres to hoping Mortal Online II using UE4 is good). UE4 has great graphics but as you know there is more to a game than that.

fartcannon 6y ago
I think you were totally right. His counter-arguement basically boils down to 'so what' which is pretty bad. Some thing's are more important than others. Buying and removing support for already supported systems is an incredibly anticompetitive move and shouldn't be forgotten.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  First, not 'his'. Second, I explicitly asked for evidence of any of the concerns, as many of the claims either didn't raise a specific concern (e.g. Tencent ownership) or didn't seem to be corroborated by evidence (e.g. Epic buying studios to pull their games off steam). I'll ask you the same, can you provide examples of Epic buying games and removing support for systems? The only example I can find is Rocket League, and that decision was coupled to a desire to remove technical debt and unrelated to Epic's purchase of Psyonix.
  - arminiusreturns 6y ago
    You did not "explicitly ask[...] for evidence of any of the concerns". "I'm trying to think of others, maybe you could expand a bit?"
Pfhreak 6y ago
I asked for fiascos, not negatives. I think it's absolutely fair to be critical or disagree with the approaches of Epic. It's one thing to say they made a decision you thought was wrong, it's another thing to call them a 'fiasco', that's all.
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  What you may consider a problem I may consider a fiasco. It's a very subjective term. fiasco: a complete failure, bomb, bummer, bust, catastrophe, clinker, clunker, debacle (also débâcle), disaster, dud, failure, fizzle, flop, frost, lemon, loser, miss, shipwreck, turkey, washout What I've said was searchable. Please excuse me if I didn't feel like spending an hour on a single comment. If you want to know you can find the truth of what I've said. > Epic buying games and removing support for systems? I already told you about these. "(Shenmue 3, Outer Wilds, Pheonix Point)" Also some of the issues with such a large investment from a Chinese company "Tencent" seem rather obvious to me at this point, and to insinuate it's a sort of sinophobia just reeks of intellectual disingenuousness.
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    They didn't buy any of those games though?

fartcannon 6y ago

I think you were totally right. His counter-arguement basically boils down to 'so what' which is pretty bad. Some thing's are more important than others. Buying and removing support for already supported systems is an incredibly anticompetitive move and shouldn't be forgotten.

Pfhreak 6y ago
First, not 'his'. Second, I explicitly asked for evidence of any of the concerns, as many of the claims either didn't raise a specific concern (e.g. Tencent ownership) or didn't seem to be corroborated by evidence (e.g. Epic buying studios to pull their games off steam). I'll ask you the same, can you provide examples of Epic buying games and removing support for systems? The only example I can find is Rocket League, and that decision was coupled to a desire to remove technical debt and unrelated to Epic's purchase of Psyonix.
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  You did not "explicitly ask[...] for evidence of any of the concerns". "I'm trying to think of others, maybe you could expand a bit?"

Pfhreak 6y ago

I asked for fiascos, not negatives. I think it's absolutely fair to be critical or disagree with the approaches of Epic. It's one thing to say they made a decision you thought was wrong, it's another thing to call them a 'fiasco', that's all.

arminiusreturns 6y ago
What you may consider a problem I may consider a fiasco. It's a very subjective term. fiasco: a complete failure, bomb, bummer, bust, catastrophe, clinker, clunker, debacle (also débâcle), disaster, dud, failure, fizzle, flop, frost, lemon, loser, miss, shipwreck, turkey, washout What I've said was searchable. Please excuse me if I didn't feel like spending an hour on a single comment. If you want to know you can find the truth of what I've said. > Epic buying games and removing support for systems? I already told you about these. "(Shenmue 3, Outer Wilds, Pheonix Point)" Also some of the issues with such a large investment from a Chinese company "Tencent" seem rather obvious to me at this point, and to insinuate it's a sort of sinophobia just reeks of intellectual disingenuousness.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  They didn't buy any of those games though?