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He's not a freedom fighter sticking up for oppressed minorities here. He's a billionaire who is endangering his employees to make even more money. His employees

by drewrv 6y ago

He's not a freedom fighter sticking up for oppressed minorities here. He's a billionaire who is endangering his employees to make even more money. His employees are in a really bad situation right now, they get to choose between risking their livelihood or their health. He's forcing them to make this decision.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
This is false. Tesla's startup plan specifically states employees who choose to remain at home will not be penalized for doing so. If you do choose to return to Fremont, PPE will be provided and social distancing measures will be enforced. These measure were implemented and tested at the Shanghai Gigafactory. https://www.tesla.com/blog/getting-back-work https://www.tesla.com/blog/getting-back-work https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/Tesla-Return-to-Work-Playbook.pdf?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/T... (Warning: PDF)
- tfehring 6y ago
  They might not be penalized by Tesla directly or explicitly, but will they lose access to unemployment benefits if they have the opportunity to go back to work but elect not to? (This is a sincere question, I don't know the answer and wasn't immediately able to find one.)
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    It depends heavily on the interpretation of the CARES stimulus act [1], which provides requirements and guidance under what circumstances allow for unemployment benefits beyond the typical loss of employment. For example, if you are required to quarantine, are sick yourself from COVID, or need to provide care for someone else, you're eligible [2]. If this is a gap, it requires a legislative and fiscal policy fix. [1] https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr748/BILLS-116hr748enr.pdf https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr748/BILLS-116hr748enr.p... (Warning: PDF) [2] https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package-questions-answers.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package... (Control-f "Unemployment Benefits")
- clouddrover 6y ago
  > If you do choose to return to Fremont, PPE will be provided and social distancing measures will be enforced This doesn't match what the workers themselves are saying: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/11/21254871/tesla-fremont-shutdown-factory-production-model-3-y-elon-musk https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/11/21254871/tesla-fremont-sh... https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21256665/tesla-reopens-nevada-gigafactory-after-california-factory https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21256665/tesla-reopens-ne... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/tesla-workers-unemployment-benefits-emails https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/tesla-wor... > These measure were implemented and tested at the Shanghai Gigafactory It's interesting. Elon's been keen on tweeting about American freedoms lately. I wonder when he'll do the same for Chinese freedoms.

by drewrv 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago

This is false. Tesla's startup plan specifically states employees who choose to remain at home will not be penalized for doing so. If you do choose to return to Fremont, PPE will be provided and social distancing measures will be enforced. These measure were implemented and tested at the Shanghai Gigafactory. https://www.tesla.com/blog/getting-back-work https://www.tesla.com/blog/getting-back-work https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/Tesla-Return-to-Work-Playbook.pdf?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/T... (Warning: PDF)

tfehring 6y ago
They might not be penalized by Tesla directly or explicitly, but will they lose access to unemployment benefits if they have the opportunity to go back to work but elect not to? (This is a sincere question, I don't know the answer and wasn't immediately able to find one.)
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  It depends heavily on the interpretation of the CARES stimulus act [1], which provides requirements and guidance under what circumstances allow for unemployment benefits beyond the typical loss of employment. For example, if you are required to quarantine, are sick yourself from COVID, or need to provide care for someone else, you're eligible [2]. If this is a gap, it requires a legislative and fiscal policy fix. [1] https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr748/BILLS-116hr748enr.pdf https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr748/BILLS-116hr748enr.p... (Warning: PDF) [2] https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package-questions-answers.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package... (Control-f "Unemployment Benefits")
clouddrover 6y ago
> If you do choose to return to Fremont, PPE will be provided and social distancing measures will be enforced This doesn't match what the workers themselves are saying: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/11/21254871/tesla-fremont-shutdown-factory-production-model-3-y-elon-musk https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/11/21254871/tesla-fremont-sh... https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21256665/tesla-reopens-nevada-gigafactory-after-california-factory https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21256665/tesla-reopens-ne... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/tesla-workers-unemployment-benefits-emails https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/tesla-wor... > These measure were implemented and tested at the Shanghai Gigafactory It's interesting. Elon's been keen on tweeting about American freedoms lately. I wonder when he'll do the same for Chinese freedoms.