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How much twitter drama has Ford indulged in lately? Elon whining about public health measures being "fascist", threatening to leave California, and then going

How much twitter drama has Ford indulged in lately? Elon whining about public health measures being "fascist", threatening to leave California, and then going cap in hand for more public money from the state he claims is limiting his "freedoms" is not just a bad joke, it's farcical.

ta999999171 7y ago
I don't feel this addresses your parent's point.
toomuchtodo 7y ago
The benchmark is results, not your public image. Where is Boeing's Crew Dragon/Falcon Heavy/Reusable Falcon 9/StarLink constellation? Where is Ford's EV manufacturing capacity and charger network? When you are an innovator, you get some latitude to shit post. The public may not look fondly upon your antics, but shareholders have stood behind Musk (and if results continue, will likely continue to do so). California needs Tesla and SpaceX more than they need California. The rest of the world (China, Germany for Gigafactories, several countries have begged for one), and other states (Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Colorado all have incentives to Tesla on offer), have shown they're willing to accommodate. No one is rushing to do the same for failing behemoths such as Boeing and Ford (both of whom are performing substantial layoffs, [1] [2]). There is a balance to be struck between operational flexibility and public safety. IMHO, Alameda County overreached. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23021873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23021873 [2] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/02/11/ford-f11.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/02/11/ford-f11.html
- clouddrover 7y ago
  Elon has no loyalty to you. You're wasting your time being so slavishly loyal to him. You need not be his spaniel.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    I have no loyalty to Elon. It just so happens our interests align (mitigating climate change, electrification of transportation, rapid deployment of utility scale energy storage, the commodification of heavy lift to orbit). If you were doing these things, I'd support you. But you're not. Most aren't. I support those that are doing this work, necessary work. Elon would not be my first pick, but unfortunately, he’s the only pick at this scale. "The Devil You Know."
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      > It just so happens our interests align They don't and never will align. He is a narcissistic attention-seeker. You don't figure into that. The excuses you're making for him are embarrassing.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        Appreciate the feedback.
        clouddrover 7y ago
        Elon's really not worth the effort you put in to edit and re-edit your defenses of him. You're emotional about and are making excuses for someone whose primary interest is himself. It's weird. It really is like you're stuck in an abusive relationship.
        vxNsr 7y ago
        As an outside observer to this conversation, you come off as more emotional than the OP. Just an FYI.
        clouddrover 7y ago

ta999999171 7y ago

I don't feel this addresses your parent's point.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

The benchmark is results, not your public image. Where is Boeing's Crew Dragon/Falcon Heavy/Reusable Falcon 9/StarLink constellation? Where is Ford's EV manufacturing capacity and charger network? When you are an innovator, you get some latitude to shit post. The public may not look fondly upon your antics, but shareholders have stood behind Musk (and if results continue, will likely continue to do so). California needs Tesla and SpaceX more than they need California. The rest of the world (China, Germany for Gigafactories, several countries have begged for one), and other states (Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Colorado all have incentives to Tesla on offer), have shown they're willing to accommodate. No one is rushing to do the same for failing behemoths such as Boeing and Ford (both of whom are performing substantial layoffs, [1] [2]). There is a balance to be struck between operational flexibility and public safety. IMHO, Alameda County overreached. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23021873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23021873 [2] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/02/11/ford-f11.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/02/11/ford-f11.html

clouddrover 7y ago
Elon has no loyalty to you. You're wasting your time being so slavishly loyal to him. You need not be his spaniel.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  I have no loyalty to Elon. It just so happens our interests align (mitigating climate change, electrification of transportation, rapid deployment of utility scale energy storage, the commodification of heavy lift to orbit). If you were doing these things, I'd support you. But you're not. Most aren't. I support those that are doing this work, necessary work. Elon would not be my first pick, but unfortunately, he’s the only pick at this scale. "The Devil You Know."
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > It just so happens our interests align They don't and never will align. He is a narcissistic attention-seeker. You don't figure into that. The excuses you're making for him are embarrassing.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Appreciate the feedback.
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        Elon's really not worth the effort you put in to edit and re-edit your defenses of him. You're emotional about and are making excuses for someone whose primary interest is himself. It's weird. It really is like you're stuck in an abusive relationship.
        vxNsr 7y ago
        As an outside observer to this conversation, you come off as more emotional than the OP. Just an FYI.
        clouddrover 7y ago