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Have you ever personally had a long term career in a corporation that somehow managed the escape velocity to actually become something other than typical? i.e.

Have you ever personally had a long term career in a corporation that somehow managed the escape velocity to actually become something other than typical? i.e. typically toxic and bound to these laws?

CydeWeys 6y ago
What? You think all employees will inevitably hate working at every company if they stay awhile?
- artsyca 6y ago
  There are no great companies left and everyone of any worth evaporates and ends up "working for themselves" and employee mentality has made most corporations into dystopian surveillance states where management rules by force of mediocrity so the ones that stay are happy to wallow in their entitlements as long as they're free to dress in rags and can afford their mortgage payments yea
  - Balero 6y ago
    Out of interest, which companies do you think were great?
    - artsyca 6y ago
      Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, the Medici, Nintendo and Apple in the early days, a lot of Canadian and probably American banks in the sixties and seventies and eighties.. Airlines before the economy model.. Lots of iconic hotels and restaurants, Ma Bell.. all kinds of companies have been great it's just that as people we think we're above it all somehow and our attitudes have brought us to a point where it's understood we're only trading time for money and we're selling ourselves short at every turn and all our corporations are merging into one megalocorp where it's just mediocrity and toxicity and even this forum is nothing but an echo chamber of the neurosis Another problem is that CEO's don't understand what they're really in it for -- they're not in it for the mind state that comes with being a leader but only for the profits they can extract from the bargain it's obvious by their actions and their dress In short a company that has high alignment and high autonomy the two are not mutually exclusive and indeed form the basis of what I'd call the American Way
      - morelisp 6y ago
        > Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce What?
        switch007 6y ago
        Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce is the name of a fictional advertising agency in the TV series "Mad Men", in case anyone is confused by this confusion
        hcknwscommenter 6y ago
        A fictional advertising firm from the television series "Mad Men." A "great" place for heterosexual men in suits to work, a not-so-great place for anyone else.
        CydeWeys 6y ago
        I suspect the average person would actually find that a much worse place to work than most modern white collar companies. You wouldn't want those main characters as your boss, especially not if you're a woman.
        morelisp 6y ago
        It would nearly as bad as Google's C suite!
        artsyca 6y ago
        What irks me the most is the current crop of so called white collar is populated by people who don't have a fraction of the dress sense and don't even wear white collars or when they do it's combined with something preposterous like a fleece vest or puffer jacket I have witnessed a vice president at a danged top five bank in Canada dressing like he was going clubbing
        ShroudedNight 6y ago
        For most Canadian financial institutions, does 'Vice President' mean anything more than someone who works in b2b sales? They seem to be a dime a dozen.
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    Your view on this is far more negative than average. There are plenty of people who have been working at companies for a long time and are content there.
    - artsyca 6y ago
      Hey CydeWeys my good fellow I appreciate your opinion very much and I'll tell you why I'm cynical Maybe there are a few epic companies but for 80% of devs at a guess they'll grow up grow old and grow decrepit in an open concept office reeking of pizza and microwave popcorn surrounded by a bunch of distressed disrespectful and discounted directors and managers treating them like cannibalistic humanoid underground developers while preparing them to be eaten by the machine like a rabid pack of Morlocks I wasn't put on this earth to be turned into Soylent Green for a feature factory that chews up people and spits out machine code and Alan Turing sure as hell didn't give his life so we could wear house shoes to the office Compared to what we're missing out on the free granola tastes like bitter bile and all ever managed to do was get drunk on great quality booze I'll admit and barf up artisanal pizza and salads
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  No, but they will eventually become overburdened with ever more rules, regulations, and lose the cohesive team which existed at the beginning.
cpncrunch 6y ago
I work for myself, but I have quite a few friends who have worked for large companies for 10-20 years. Some companies just know how to treat their employees well, and they benefit from that.
castratikron 6y ago
Yes but only due to near 100% turnover of management and toxic coworkers in a short amount of time. It was weird the day I realized I was essentially working at a different job.

CydeWeys 6y ago

What? You think all employees will inevitably hate working at every company if they stay awhile?

artsyca 6y ago
There are no great companies left and everyone of any worth evaporates and ends up "working for themselves" and employee mentality has made most corporations into dystopian surveillance states where management rules by force of mediocrity so the ones that stay are happy to wallow in their entitlements as long as they're free to dress in rags and can afford their mortgage payments yea
- Balero 6y ago
  Out of interest, which companies do you think were great?
  - artsyca 6y ago
    Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, the Medici, Nintendo and Apple in the early days, a lot of Canadian and probably American banks in the sixties and seventies and eighties.. Airlines before the economy model.. Lots of iconic hotels and restaurants, Ma Bell.. all kinds of companies have been great it's just that as people we think we're above it all somehow and our attitudes have brought us to a point where it's understood we're only trading time for money and we're selling ourselves short at every turn and all our corporations are merging into one megalocorp where it's just mediocrity and toxicity and even this forum is nothing but an echo chamber of the neurosis Another problem is that CEO's don't understand what they're really in it for -- they're not in it for the mind state that comes with being a leader but only for the profits they can extract from the bargain it's obvious by their actions and their dress In short a company that has high alignment and high autonomy the two are not mutually exclusive and indeed form the basis of what I'd call the American Way
    - morelisp 6y ago
      > Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce What?
      - switch007 6y ago
        Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce is the name of a fictional advertising agency in the TV series "Mad Men", in case anyone is confused by this confusion
      - hcknwscommenter 6y ago
        A fictional advertising firm from the television series "Mad Men." A "great" place for heterosexual men in suits to work, a not-so-great place for anyone else.
        CydeWeys 6y ago
        I suspect the average person would actually find that a much worse place to work than most modern white collar companies. You wouldn't want those main characters as your boss, especially not if you're a woman.
        morelisp 6y ago
        It would nearly as bad as Google's C suite!
        artsyca 6y ago
        What irks me the most is the current crop of so called white collar is populated by people who don't have a fraction of the dress sense and don't even wear white collars or when they do it's combined with something preposterous like a fleece vest or puffer jacket I have witnessed a vice president at a danged top five bank in Canada dressing like he was going clubbing
        ShroudedNight 6y ago
        For most Canadian financial institutions, does 'Vice President' mean anything more than someone who works in b2b sales? They seem to be a dime a dozen.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  Your view on this is far more negative than average. There are plenty of people who have been working at companies for a long time and are content there.
  - artsyca 6y ago
    Hey CydeWeys my good fellow I appreciate your opinion very much and I'll tell you why I'm cynical Maybe there are a few epic companies but for 80% of devs at a guess they'll grow up grow old and grow decrepit in an open concept office reeking of pizza and microwave popcorn surrounded by a bunch of distressed disrespectful and discounted directors and managers treating them like cannibalistic humanoid underground developers while preparing them to be eaten by the machine like a rabid pack of Morlocks I wasn't put on this earth to be turned into Soylent Green for a feature factory that chews up people and spits out machine code and Alan Turing sure as hell didn't give his life so we could wear house shoes to the office Compared to what we're missing out on the free granola tastes like bitter bile and all ever managed to do was get drunk on great quality booze I'll admit and barf up artisanal pizza and salads
MattGaiser 6y ago
No, but they will eventually become overburdened with ever more rules, regulations, and lose the cohesive team which existed at the beginning.

cpncrunch 6y ago

I work for myself, but I have quite a few friends who have worked for large companies for 10-20 years. Some companies just know how to treat their employees well, and they benefit from that.

castratikron 6y ago

Yes but only due to near 100% turnover of management and toxic coworkers in a short amount of time. It was weird the day I realized I was essentially working at a different job.