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Music As Data - Music programming with Clojure

91 points by ique 16y ago

PanosJee 16y ago
That 's cool! Music notes as variables and code at the same time. Genious!
jonromero 16y ago
Thx for the post! Feel free to ask anything you like!
- ique 16y ago
  Can you add a 3D graphics library as well so we can have an awesome (modern) replacement of http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ ? :P
  - PanosJee 16y ago
    This is your lucky day! It's built on top of processing so you have access to awesome visual effects!
- thibaut_barrere 16y ago
  Wicked! I may try to embed your work inside my JRuby/Mirah/Java VST bridge [1] when I'll have more time. Would be amazing to reuse your syntax inside a VST plugin, to write arpeggiators, drum patterns or other similar things. Thanks for sharing! [1] https://github.com/thbar/opaz-plugdk https://github.com/thbar/opaz-plugdk
  - jonromero 16y ago
    Sounds crazy!
  - catshirt 16y ago
    a bit ago i started a javascript osc environment [1] for fun. a copy of touchosc, but in the browser and you can edit your controls live. i didn't have any intentions to share it, but this seems to be an appropriate venue. it's not nearly as cool as anything else in the thread :). pretty proof of concept, but maybe will get some ideas going. the relevance is that it's easy to execute arbitrary code [2] to control any program that supports osc/midi. [1] https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc [2] https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc/blob/master/static/webroot/js/views/slider.js#L63 https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc/blob/master/static/...
- jackowayed 16y ago
  I'm a bit confused about how to install and run it (I'm pretty new to Clojure). Can you flesh out steps like "compile core.clj"? I tried lein compile but that failed. I did lein jar instead. Then I did lein repl (didn't have a lein swank task), which downloaded some processing stuff and then gave me a reply. I tried running (start main), but it said it couldn't resolve the symbol start. Do I need to do something to include the jar?
  - zmitri 16y ago
    you actually need to download and make jars of the minim libraries (https://github.com/ddf/Minim https://github.com/ddf/Minim and http://code.compartmental.net/2009/11/02/building-minim-with-git-and-eclipse/ http://code.compartmental.net/2009/11/02/building-minim-with... will help) and then add those jars to the lib folder. then run: "lein repl" once in the repl: (compile 'music-as-data.core) (ns music-as-data.core) and then you're good to go!
swannodette 16y ago
Don't forget about the other the excellent live music programming environment written in Clojure - Overtone http://project-overtone.org/ http://project-overtone.org/
math 16y ago
I started building something similar a while back called music compojure. Anyone who is interested in algorithmic composition in Clojure may wish to look at the notation I came up with for comparison (see the examples directory on github). Though not perfect, it's very flexible and I'm quite pleased with some of the ideas in it. The code is perhaps maybe nearly useful. It produces midi files. https://github.com/mhowlett/music-compojure https://github.com/mhowlett/music-compojure
carlhu 16y ago
I love the compact notation for pitch and transforms. Question: there are two other aspects of music that would be wonderful to encode in your approach: note duration and loudness. Do you have ideas on how to achieve this while continuuing the readability of your syntax?
- jonromero 16y ago
  Yeap! there is already a :duration and a :volume element. You can map transformations on them
jwingy 16y ago
Awesome! We are one step closer to the digital reproduction of "real" music, where you once might need a pianist with real skill, now you just need a musician that understands how to create such sound! A digital Richter so to speak....
rbarooah 16y ago
Reminds me of AMPLE - a forth based system from 1984, which was notably used by Vince Clarke of Erasure. ( http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm ) Take a look at the AMPLE nucleus programmers guide - this thing was incredibly powerful and would be good even now with decent synthesis hardware.
JulianMorrison 16y ago
Front page unreadable on a netbook screen in Chrome, clipped at the bottom and not scrolling.
makmanalp 16y ago
Do not forget about impromptu: http://vimeo.com/2433947 http://vimeo.com/2433947 - Keith Jarrett Style http://vimeo.com/2434054 http://vimeo.com/2434054 - Part http://vimeo.com/2579694 http://vimeo.com/2579694 - Coding up an orchestra http://impromptu.moso.com.au/ http://impromptu.moso.com.au/ It's the only livecoding platform i know that doesn't sound all electronicy.
- sgrove 16y ago
  The Keith Jarrett style was amazing - I really felt the analogy between playing a live instrument and changing the code in real-time, and it sounded very good. I had visions of a large symphony hall with people dressed very sharply watching a master 'player' create and manipulate this piece in real-time... I think there may be a possibility. Interesting thought anyway.
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91 points by ique 16y ago

PanosJee 16y ago

That 's cool! Music notes as variables and code at the same time. Genious!

jonromero 16y ago

Thx for the post! Feel free to ask anything you like!

ique 16y ago
Can you add a 3D graphics library as well so we can have an awesome (modern) replacement of http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ ? :P
- PanosJee 16y ago
  This is your lucky day! It's built on top of processing so you have access to awesome visual effects!
thibaut_barrere 16y ago
Wicked! I may try to embed your work inside my JRuby/Mirah/Java VST bridge [1] when I'll have more time. Would be amazing to reuse your syntax inside a VST plugin, to write arpeggiators, drum patterns or other similar things. Thanks for sharing! [1] https://github.com/thbar/opaz-plugdk https://github.com/thbar/opaz-plugdk
- jonromero 16y ago
  Sounds crazy!
- catshirt 16y ago
  a bit ago i started a javascript osc environment [1] for fun. a copy of touchosc, but in the browser and you can edit your controls live. i didn't have any intentions to share it, but this seems to be an appropriate venue. it's not nearly as cool as anything else in the thread :). pretty proof of concept, but maybe will get some ideas going. the relevance is that it's easy to execute arbitrary code [2] to control any program that supports osc/midi. [1] https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc [2] https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc/blob/master/static/webroot/js/views/slider.js#L63 https://github.com/catshirt/backbone-osc/blob/master/static/...
jackowayed 16y ago
I'm a bit confused about how to install and run it (I'm pretty new to Clojure). Can you flesh out steps like "compile core.clj"? I tried lein compile but that failed. I did lein jar instead. Then I did lein repl (didn't have a lein swank task), which downloaded some processing stuff and then gave me a reply. I tried running (start main), but it said it couldn't resolve the symbol start. Do I need to do something to include the jar?
- zmitri 16y ago
  you actually need to download and make jars of the minim libraries (https://github.com/ddf/Minim https://github.com/ddf/Minim and http://code.compartmental.net/2009/11/02/building-minim-with-git-and-eclipse/ http://code.compartmental.net/2009/11/02/building-minim-with... will help) and then add those jars to the lib folder. then run: "lein repl" once in the repl: (compile 'music-as-data.core) (ns music-as-data.core) and then you're good to go!

swannodette 16y ago

Don't forget about the other the excellent live music programming environment written in Clojure - Overtone http://project-overtone.org/ http://project-overtone.org/

math 16y ago

I started building something similar a while back called music compojure. Anyone who is interested in algorithmic composition in Clojure may wish to look at the notation I came up with for comparison (see the examples directory on github). Though not perfect, it's very flexible and I'm quite pleased with some of the ideas in it. The code is perhaps maybe nearly useful. It produces midi files. https://github.com/mhowlett/music-compojure https://github.com/mhowlett/music-compojure

carlhu 16y ago

I love the compact notation for pitch and transforms. Question: there are two other aspects of music that would be wonderful to encode in your approach: note duration and loudness. Do you have ideas on how to achieve this while continuuing the readability of your syntax?

jonromero 16y ago
Yeap! there is already a :duration and a :volume element. You can map transformations on them

jwingy 16y ago

Awesome! We are one step closer to the digital reproduction of "real" music, where you once might need a pianist with real skill, now you just need a musician that understands how to create such sound! A digital Richter so to speak....

rbarooah 16y ago

Reminds me of AMPLE - a forth based system from 1984, which was notably used by Vince Clarke of Erasure. ( http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm ) Take a look at the AMPLE nucleus programmers guide - this thing was incredibly powerful and would be good even now with decent synthesis hardware.

JulianMorrison 16y ago

Front page unreadable on a netbook screen in Chrome, clipped at the bottom and not scrolling.

makmanalp 16y ago

Do not forget about impromptu: http://vimeo.com/2433947 http://vimeo.com/2433947 - Keith Jarrett Style http://vimeo.com/2434054 http://vimeo.com/2434054 - Part http://vimeo.com/2579694 http://vimeo.com/2579694 - Coding up an orchestra http://impromptu.moso.com.au/ http://impromptu.moso.com.au/ It's the only livecoding platform i know that doesn't sound all electronicy.

sgrove 16y ago
The Keith Jarrett style was amazing - I really felt the analogy between playing a live instrument and changing the code in real-time, and it sounded very good. I had visions of a large symphony hall with people dressed very sharply watching a master 'player' create and manipulate this piece in real-time... I think there may be a possibility. Interesting thought anyway.

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