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I highly recommend watching Jordan Peterson's lectures on youtube called "Biblical Series". They (attempt to) explain this and similar questions from Christiani
by Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
I highly recommend watching Jordan Peterson's lectures on youtube called "Biblical Series". They (attempt to) explain this and similar questions from Christianity to people who are typically smart and approach the world intellectually, who will usually have trouble with these concepts and the meaning of the stories.
Regardless of "belief" in Christinity, it is clear to me at least that any such simplistic interpretation as "god was just a dick", is at the very least, missing the point of the stories. There is a much more deep and logical meaning in many of those stories, which becomes very obvious when you get presented to it, and that's before you even start tapping into the spiritual/existential/metaphysical content of the stories. It makes much more sense even as simple life wisdom.
To present an overly simplified answer, I will say that typically (and this is a typical occurrence in the stories, where god does something painful or creates an obstruction), when something like that happens, the phrase "god did it", does not refer so much to the fact that christinaity tries to make up this god character and give him some lines to make him look a certain way, in order to tell some message.
Instead, "god did it this way" refers to god being everything, the universe, including the human societies: god is not something above human world as a guy in the sky (in fact bible never presents that image, it's more something from monty python), god is the personfification of the world and everything that happens in it.
And what happens in it is that sometimes people feel pain, do stupid things, sometimes tragical (appearing so) events happen. That's just the fact of life. Christianity does not triumphantly claim that "god did it" as any form of justification, it simply describes that since those thing do obviously happen, that means the universe, the world, the society - the god (all those things combined) make those things happen. And then the rest of the story is presented in such a way as to understand how humans can act in relationship to those underelying realities. How they can respond to and understand what is happening in the world.
- lowdose 6y agoThan you really have to stretch the principle of charity beyond what it reasonable. Just read the first of the ten commandments and there is a very jealous undertone about other gods. "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me." From this statement it is very clear to me who God is and that is not the Universe, society nor the father of time.
- lookdangerous 6y agoAh, but this jealousy makes perfect sense if God is indeed the ‘father of everything’. It is common in contemporary Christian parlance to refer to idols as things that distract us from God. This is a very useful concept that is born directly out of that commandment. And why no idols? Because any construct of the mind that interferes with seeing true reality is probably going to end badly- like someone in a blindfold walking off a pier.
- Erlich_Bachman 6y agoAs the other comment pointed out, it simply means to see that everyting is in unity, everything is part of the same universe, same god. To not get only one part of the world (like fame or material possessions, or a single other person, or affiliation with a political party) and make it your idol god, because that will ultimately lead to disaster. There is nothing "jealous" about this.
- OnACoffeeBreak 6y ago> Instead, "god did it this way" refers to god being everything, the universe, including the human societies: god is not something above human world as a guy in the sky (in fact bible never presents that image, it's more something from monty python), god is the personfification of the world and everything that happens in it. I disagree that this is how the Bible presents God, but I wholeheartedly agree that interpreting some stories in the Bible while treating God as you have describes has value in the lessons that they teach.
- karatestomp 6y agoReads like pantheism or similar, which AFAIK it’s fair to say is not considered orthodox by the overwhelming majority of Christian and Jewish religious philosophies or denominations.