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From the FAQ linked in the post: "This move will provide global stakeholders more choice for their strategic open source initiatives. We believe that more choi
by mtnygard 6y ago
From the FAQ linked in the post:
"This move will provide global stakeholders more choice for their strategic open source initiatives. We believe that more choice and greater diversity will be of benefit to both the global open source communities, and for the industries that rely upon and collaborate with them. The Eclipse Foundation aspires to be a truly global institution, now with a new European home."
What does this really mean? If the move creates more choice, then what is restricting the choice today? If it creates greater diversity, what is restricting it today?
This reads like there's something they're trying to say without saying, but I don't know what I should be reading between the lines.
- Dobbs 6y agoPeople who can't/won't travel to the US. Is probably the main thing.
- addicted 6y agoWouldn’t the main reason be that they are seeing most growth in Europe? If the majority of your developers are in Europe it would be cheaper to focus your efforts there. Further, it’s also closer to folks in Asia and probably easier and cheaper for them to travel.
- eanzenberg 6y agoThey’re moving from Canada, so assume people can’t/won’t travel to Canada.
- jkaplowitz 6y agoAlthough their article clarifies that this isn't about changing anyone's physical location, as a general point about flying to/from Canada, many of the affordable itineraries involve connections through US airports and/or overfly US airspace (in a way that gives the US at least some authority over those flights). This is not true for all flights to/from Canada, of course, but it does add complexity, expense, and often travel time for people who want to deal with Canada while avoiding US authority.
- briandear 6y ago> /or overfly US airspace (in a way that gives the US at least some authority over those flights). Overflight of US airspace doesn't give the US authority over the people inside the airplane. And flights to Canada from Europe or Asia don't overfly the US, except perhaps Alaska, but that's of zero consequence.
- jkaplowitz 6y agoOverflight of US airspace does give the US authority to choose who is allowed on the plane, to require the airline to provide specified information to them through the passenger manifest, and to impose other conditions simply for being allowed to overfly. A person born in a plane overflying US airspace at the time of birth is a US citizen. An emergency landing of a flight overflying the US will often land in the US, and a plane ordered by US authorities to land while overflying has to comply. Lots of US influence in this area. You're right that many direct flights between Canada and Europe or Asia don't overfly the US. Many of the affordable options are via US connections, however, and travelers from the rest of the world to Canada frequently overfly the US. As for Alaska, it's very much a part of the US, to the level that everything I said above is true for flights which only overfly Alaska and none of the rest of the US.
- not2b 6y ago"A person born in a plane overflying US airspace at the time of birth is a US citizen." It's unclear (and doubtful) whether that is true: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Courts could probably use the jurisdiction language to say "nope". No idea whether there have been any court cases over this though.
- int_19h 6y agoThe Constitution sets the minimum bar, but the legislature can grant citizenship beyond that. I'm not sure whether it's due to a specific law, or courts applying 14A, but there's broad agreement that babies born in US airspace are, indeed, US citizens.
- briandear 6y agoTraveling for what?
- duckspeak 6y agoNewspeak is always used with the intent to be opaque. To not drop hints or offer clues at a hidden message. Instead, the goal is to be impenetrable. Instead, the action itself must be interpreted, and not the words the actors couch their deeds in. The lines have nothing between them. The real information (juicy gossip, inside dirt) is wholly elsewhere. This is merely a "change of address" sign posted on the front door, with some decorative Art Nouveau clip art decorating the notice.
- wayoutthere 6y agoFor better or worse, the balance of global commerce is rapidly moving to Asia. The US is no longer the only country capable of advanced software development, nor necessarily the most qualified (particularly in the embedded space). I think the Eclipse Foundation sees more of their growth happening in Asia, and that's a lot easier to do from the EU as their working hours overlap with both the US and Asia. Working hours in Asia don't overlap very well with American hours; their most productive hours happen in the middle of the night for us. I'm sure there are other reasons too, but these seem like some of the most practical.
- gowld 6y agoReads like the pro-European-HQ camp just rah rah chest beating about how great Europe is, without saying anything concrete there might be controversial. Maybe hinting about other comparable open source foundations (FSF? Apache? Debian?) not being in Europe? Is that true?