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We need more decentralized software, like skype was originally, where there is no tech company with access that would have to 'earn it'. Taking away our right

We need more decentralized software, like skype was originally, where there is no tech company with access that would have to 'earn it'. Taking away our right to privacy while telling me your are saving children makes my skin crawl - I can't think of a more anti-american act.

dylkil 6y ago
start with mobile phones. The apps on your phone are tracking everything.
upofadown 6y ago
We have tons of decentralized software already. We certainly don't need more. We need to get people to use it.
- annoyingnoob 6y ago
  Examples?
  - upofadown 6y ago
    Off the top of my head. OMEMO running on good old XMPP. OpenPGP running on older but gooder SMTP, the only decentralized system that ever got really popular. Heck, OpenPGP running on XMPP for the mashup. All with lots of implementations both server and client. All more or less ignored. Before suggesting we need new systems you pretty much have to figure out what isn't working with the ones we have ... and real stuff, not unlikely technical reasons that no one cares about ... and no, it isn't just bad user interfaces. People will overcome any user interface if they actually care enough.
    - annoyingnoob 6y ago
      Its really about usability for most people. OMEMO is a protocol not end-user software. Can most people securely exchange PGP keys? Skype took off originally because it was easy to use, even if it didn't always work well. I still think we need better/new software.
      - upofadown 6y ago
        OK, but this always happens. There are always problems with the old stuff (different problems for each) and all we have to do is overcome those problems and everything will work. But identifying what is wrong with something does not let us know what we should do going forward. So what about the new thing: Matrix? What do we need to do there to make it so it does not fall into obscurity like everything else?
- zepto 6y ago
  Is there a good index or list of decentralized software? Googling for it seems to be a long term project.

dylkil 6y ago

start with mobile phones. The apps on your phone are tracking everything.

upofadown 6y ago

We have tons of decentralized software already. We certainly don't need more. We need to get people to use it.

annoyingnoob 6y ago
Examples?
- upofadown 6y ago
  Off the top of my head. OMEMO running on good old XMPP. OpenPGP running on older but gooder SMTP, the only decentralized system that ever got really popular. Heck, OpenPGP running on XMPP for the mashup. All with lots of implementations both server and client. All more or less ignored. Before suggesting we need new systems you pretty much have to figure out what isn't working with the ones we have ... and real stuff, not unlikely technical reasons that no one cares about ... and no, it isn't just bad user interfaces. People will overcome any user interface if they actually care enough.
  - annoyingnoob 6y ago
    Its really about usability for most people. OMEMO is a protocol not end-user software. Can most people securely exchange PGP keys? Skype took off originally because it was easy to use, even if it didn't always work well. I still think we need better/new software.
    - upofadown 6y ago
      OK, but this always happens. There are always problems with the old stuff (different problems for each) and all we have to do is overcome those problems and everything will work. But identifying what is wrong with something does not let us know what we should do going forward. So what about the new thing: Matrix? What do we need to do there to make it so it does not fall into obscurity like everything else?
zepto 6y ago
Is there a good index or list of decentralized software? Googling for it seems to be a long term project.