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> Those offtopic, face to face chitchats you have with your colleagues or boss hugely help your career growth. The WFH people are going to miss out on that. I

> Those offtopic, face to face chitchats you have with your colleagues or boss hugely help your career growth. The WFH people are going to miss out on that. I suspect there is a non-trivial amount of people who don't care about that. I've been writing software for a while now. I don't want to become team lead or manager. I don't care for the drama. I just want to do my job, get paid, and go home. In that case, WFH is perfect.

oblio 6y ago
Yeah, but you'll be lower on the social ladder. If your boss needs to fire 1 person in your team, you will be the first to go. (I find it amusing that this was downvoted when it's basically an axiom :-) )
- mpweiher 6y ago
  First sentence of post you're replying to: >I suspect there is a non-trivial amount of people who don't care about that
  - oblio 6y ago
    And the third sentences says: > I just want to do my job, get paid, and go home. Hard to get paid if you get fired...
    - ornornor 6y ago
      Right. Luckily you can find work elsewhere after being laid off.
      - oblio 6y ago
        Have you been checking the unemployment rates recently?
        rorykoehler 6y ago
        Developers are in the 1%. A good dev is always going to find work, at least for the foreseeable future. There is a huge scramble to snap up newly redundant talent now. I had a dev who lost their job reject a job offer today because another company got there first. I know what job he took but he doesn't know I know so it's not like he said it to soften the rejection.
        subhobroto 6y ago
        > There is a huge scramble to snap up newly redundant talent now Absolutely. People are lowballing hard, trying to take advantage of the economy and are surprised when their offers are rejected. This is one of the reasons why!
        ornornor 6y ago
        Like I said. This isn't everyone's cup of tea. I'd rather be unemployed than grovelling to my boss and play the climb the ladder game. That's me. You do you.
- ornornor 6y ago
  Maybe so. Although outside of the US (Europe for instance), businesses are not so trigger happy that they lay people off every other month. When a company must do budget cuts and layoff, it’s a big deal once in a few years thing. Not bi-annually. Whatever the frequency is, it’s a risk. Arguably though if you’re remote you’re getting paid HCOL wages while living in a lower COL area, so being laid off isn’t as much financially dangerous as it would be in SF/NYC. Plus all these working years you’ve avoided the stress and drama that goes with climbing the ladder/getting in your boss’s pocket. Not sure why you’re getting downvoted though, it’s a legitimate concern.
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hellisothers 6y ago
There is also the up-or-out policies though, I think your point makes a lot of sense and will work at smaller companies unless the big ones accept less churn.

oblio 6y ago

Yeah, but you'll be lower on the social ladder. If your boss needs to fire 1 person in your team, you will be the first to go. (I find it amusing that this was downvoted when it's basically an axiom :-) )

mpweiher 6y ago
First sentence of post you're replying to: >I suspect there is a non-trivial amount of people who don't care about that
- oblio 6y ago
  And the third sentences says: > I just want to do my job, get paid, and go home. Hard to get paid if you get fired...
  - ornornor 6y ago
    Right. Luckily you can find work elsewhere after being laid off.
    - oblio 6y ago
      Have you been checking the unemployment rates recently?
      - rorykoehler 6y ago
        Developers are in the 1%. A good dev is always going to find work, at least for the foreseeable future. There is a huge scramble to snap up newly redundant talent now. I had a dev who lost their job reject a job offer today because another company got there first. I know what job he took but he doesn't know I know so it's not like he said it to soften the rejection.
        subhobroto 6y ago
        > There is a huge scramble to snap up newly redundant talent now Absolutely. People are lowballing hard, trying to take advantage of the economy and are surprised when their offers are rejected. This is one of the reasons why!
      - ornornor 6y ago
        Like I said. This isn't everyone's cup of tea. I'd rather be unemployed than grovelling to my boss and play the climb the ladder game. That's me. You do you.
ornornor 6y ago
Maybe so. Although outside of the US (Europe for instance), businesses are not so trigger happy that they lay people off every other month. When a company must do budget cuts and layoff, it’s a big deal once in a few years thing. Not bi-annually. Whatever the frequency is, it’s a risk. Arguably though if you’re remote you’re getting paid HCOL wages while living in a lower COL area, so being laid off isn’t as much financially dangerous as it would be in SF/NYC. Plus all these working years you’ve avoided the stress and drama that goes with climbing the ladder/getting in your boss’s pocket. Not sure why you’re getting downvoted though, it’s a legitimate concern.

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hellisothers 6y ago

There is also the up-or-out policies though, I think your point makes a lot of sense and will work at smaller companies unless the big ones accept less churn.