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I'm pretty much as much of a 'superfan' and you can get in regards to all of the Musk ventures. Elon's handling of the COVID19 thing, for me, has been a bridge

by cowmix 6y ago

I'm pretty much as much of a 'superfan' and you can get in regards to all of the Musk ventures. Elon's handling of the COVID19 thing, for me, has been a bridge too far. While prediction models for the pandemic have been all over the map, Elon's COVID-truther stance has been pretty incredible to watch. His Twitter posts on the subject have not been well thought out and many have been outright conspiratorial. Depressing.

bun_at_work 6y ago
I agree with you here. I watched the recent Joe Rogan podcast with Musk, and was largely disgusted with the misinformation he pushed regarding COVID-19.
- bzb3 6y ago
  Were you as disgusted with the misinformation pushed by medical organisations such as the WHO?
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Or the misinformation doctors got from faulty "models"?
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    It's bizarre how people seem to trust WHO, CDC/FDA - they screwed up tragically at the expense of the most vulnerable in society.
    - traveler01 6y ago
      I don't like conspirancy teories, let alone spread them. But it's getting clear that the reaction from WHO was retarded thanks to the Chinese Government pressure. Let alone the fact that China has beeing hidding a lot of valuable information from the world since the start. My two cents based on the info available, this virus was a leak from Wuhan Institute of Virology due to some security failure that China its trying to hide. It's a standard move from communist regimes trying to cover up their mistakes like this, remember Chernobyl?
  - bun_at_work 6y ago
    Obvious bait is obvious.
    - bzb3 6y ago
      Not bait, devil's advocate.
redis_mlc 6y ago
Dunno, the Bay Area doesn't have the same corona issues that NY has. (We started sooner, probably Dec,. have at least 10% herd immunity, etc.) Elon might be right, just like he was right about his cpap machines instead of full ventilators.
- mcphage 6y ago
  > Elon might be right, just like he was right about his cpap machines instead of full ventilators. He made some very specific, very incorrect predictions: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    So did Dr. Fauci and many other medical experts.
  - traveler01 6y ago
    His only mistake was trying to predict the unpredictable.
kristofferR 6y ago
Yeah. That being said, I got more sympathy when I learned how absolutely absurd Gavin Newsom's reopening conditions were - halt reopening of a county until "No more than one new COVID-19 case per 10,000 residents in the past 14 days" and "No COVID-19 deaths in the past 14 days". It seems much more logical to base it on the R-number (number of people infected on average by each infected person), like we do here in Norway. The more the R-number goes down, the more things can be reopened.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  I do wonder if we will end up with R converging towards 1 in that case. Every time it falls people get gun-ho and start going out, then it rises until we see the figures get alarming again.
  - kristofferR 6y ago
    I don't know where you're talking about, but at least here in Norway that hasn't happened. It might happen in places where people has been misled into thinking that reopening is a binary option, instead of a slow gradual process constantly re-evalutated based on data.
  - plantain 6y ago
    That's exactly the plan in many countries with the current caseload well within the capacity of the healthcare system (i.e. Germany). Balancing overloading the healthcare system with reopening business.
    - mcv 6y ago
      You can't keep everything shut down until there's a cure. We need to find a way to live with it, and that means reopening those businesses that are the safest and most urgent to reopen, while testing extensively and keeping a close eye on whether it gets out of control again.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  That would be a fair argument, if Elon made it. Sadly Elon is just calling it fascism on investor calls, so there goes all nuance out the window. The problem with basing it off R number is we can only estimate R0, which is why most reopening criteria are based around deaths and tests per capita.
kanox 6y ago
The whole "coronavirus is affecting out civil liberties" stance is extremely harmful. The government is not out to get you in a pandemic. If you want to argue that manufacturing can be open safely fine, and it's also fine to sue the county to force their hand. But coronavirus restrictions save lives (stuff like mask wearing) and tweeting crap like "FREE AMERICA NOW" is extremely unhelpful. We should be arguing about the exact way in which government intervention can be used to reduce the spread.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  > We should be arguing about the exact way in which government intervention can be used to reduce the spread. This personal opinion is not echoed by many people who feel that the government has overreached. They feel that if a person wants total government control of their safety, that person can move to a country like China.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    Tesla has moved to a country like China. I wonder when we can expect some "FREE CHINA NOW" tweets from Elon.
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      I didn't realize the gigafactories in China were shut down.
      - clouddrover 6y ago
        Of course it was. And is likely to be again.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  > The government is not out to get you in a pandemic. Replace pandemic with war. What's the difference? Governments readily encroach on civil liberties during emergencies. And we know how advocates of the Patriot Act recognized it would be a powerful law, so they said it would be temporary. We all know how that turned out. It doesn't seem like it'll go away now. I fear we'll play out something similar with lockdown. And what's really somewhat horrifying is that the mere mention of concerns surrounding lockdown is made out to be crazy, dangerous, inhumane, etc.

by cowmix 6y ago

bun_at_work 6y ago

I agree with you here. I watched the recent Joe Rogan podcast with Musk, and was largely disgusted with the misinformation he pushed regarding COVID-19.

bzb3 6y ago
Were you as disgusted with the misinformation pushed by medical organisations such as the WHO?
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Or the misinformation doctors got from faulty "models"?
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  It's bizarre how people seem to trust WHO, CDC/FDA - they screwed up tragically at the expense of the most vulnerable in society.
  - traveler01 6y ago
    I don't like conspirancy teories, let alone spread them. But it's getting clear that the reaction from WHO was retarded thanks to the Chinese Government pressure. Let alone the fact that China has beeing hidding a lot of valuable information from the world since the start. My two cents based on the info available, this virus was a leak from Wuhan Institute of Virology due to some security failure that China its trying to hide. It's a standard move from communist regimes trying to cover up their mistakes like this, remember Chernobyl?
- bun_at_work 6y ago
  Obvious bait is obvious.
  - bzb3 6y ago
    Not bait, devil's advocate.

redis_mlc 6y ago

Dunno, the Bay Area doesn't have the same corona issues that NY has. (We started sooner, probably Dec,. have at least 10% herd immunity, etc.) Elon might be right, just like he was right about his cpap machines instead of full ventilators.

mcphage 6y ago
> Elon might be right, just like he was right about his cpap machines instead of full ventilators. He made some very specific, very incorrect predictions: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  So did Dr. Fauci and many other medical experts.
- traveler01 6y ago
  His only mistake was trying to predict the unpredictable.

kristofferR 6y ago

Yeah. That being said, I got more sympathy when I learned how absolutely absurd Gavin Newsom's reopening conditions were - halt reopening of a county until "No more than one new COVID-19 case per 10,000 residents in the past 14 days" and "No COVID-19 deaths in the past 14 days". It seems much more logical to base it on the R-number (number of people infected on average by each infected person), like we do here in Norway. The more the R-number goes down, the more things can be reopened.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
I do wonder if we will end up with R converging towards 1 in that case. Every time it falls people get gun-ho and start going out, then it rises until we see the figures get alarming again.
- kristofferR 6y ago
  I don't know where you're talking about, but at least here in Norway that hasn't happened. It might happen in places where people has been misled into thinking that reopening is a binary option, instead of a slow gradual process constantly re-evalutated based on data.
- plantain 6y ago
  That's exactly the plan in many countries with the current caseload well within the capacity of the healthcare system (i.e. Germany). Balancing overloading the healthcare system with reopening business.
  - mcv 6y ago
    You can't keep everything shut down until there's a cure. We need to find a way to live with it, and that means reopening those businesses that are the safest and most urgent to reopen, while testing extensively and keeping a close eye on whether it gets out of control again.
ashtonkem 6y ago
That would be a fair argument, if Elon made it. Sadly Elon is just calling it fascism on investor calls, so there goes all nuance out the window. The problem with basing it off R number is we can only estimate R0, which is why most reopening criteria are based around deaths and tests per capita.

kanox 6y ago

The whole "coronavirus is affecting out civil liberties" stance is extremely harmful. The government is not out to get you in a pandemic. If you want to argue that manufacturing can be open safely fine, and it's also fine to sue the county to force their hand. But coronavirus restrictions save lives (stuff like mask wearing) and tweeting crap like "FREE AMERICA NOW" is extremely unhelpful. We should be arguing about the exact way in which government intervention can be used to reduce the spread.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
> We should be arguing about the exact way in which government intervention can be used to reduce the spread. This personal opinion is not echoed by many people who feel that the government has overreached. They feel that if a person wants total government control of their safety, that person can move to a country like China.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  Tesla has moved to a country like China. I wonder when we can expect some "FREE CHINA NOW" tweets from Elon.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    I didn't realize the gigafactories in China were shut down.
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      Of course it was. And is likely to be again.
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> The government is not out to get you in a pandemic. Replace pandemic with war. What's the difference? Governments readily encroach on civil liberties during emergencies. And we know how advocates of the Patriot Act recognized it would be a powerful law, so they said it would be temporary. We all know how that turned out. It doesn't seem like it'll go away now. I fear we'll play out something similar with lockdown. And what's really somewhat horrifying is that the mere mention of concerns surrounding lockdown is made out to be crazy, dangerous, inhumane, etc.