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Funny headline: "Total Eclipse to depart" https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/12/eclipse_moves_to_europe/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/12/eclipse_mov

by ape4 6y ago

Funny headline: "Total Eclipse to depart" https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/12/eclipse_moves_to_europe/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/12/eclipse_moves_to_eu...

DonHopkins 6y ago
IBM strategically named Eclipse to piss off Sun (and it worked: Sun couldn't come to grips with the total eclipse). It's ironic now that you can have a total Eclipse without the Sun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLk2vSXXtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLk2vSXXtk Total Eclipse: Klaus Nomi (from "Urgh! A Music War") Big shots Argue about what they've got Making the planet so hot Hot as a holocaust Blow up Everything's gonna go up Even if you don't show up In your Chemise Lacoste Total eclipse It's a total eclipse It's a total eclipse of the sun Can't come to grips with the total eclipse Just a slip of the lips and you're done Fall out Nobody left to crawl out If someone calls We're all out Turning in to French fries Last dance Let the entire cast dance Do the dismembered blast dance As we get atomized! Total eclipse It's a total eclipse It's a total eclipse of the sun Can't come to grips with the total eclipse Just a slip of the lips and you're done
- KMag 6y ago
  Jikes, JikesRVM (formerly Jalepeno JVM), and SWT were all solid Java projects from IBM. I'm really sad that Sun didn't sell off Java to IBM before selling the rest of itself to Oracle ("the lawnmower", according to Bryan Cantrill). I understand that a big part of Sun's value was in Java, but the many-core high-I/O-bandwidth server business was still valuable to Oracle and synergized pretty well with Oracle's business (outside of the legal department). The value to the world as a whole was much higher with IBM (or, at a second choice, Google) owning Java and Oracle (or some other high-I/O bandwidth enterprise product vendor) owning the Sun hardware business. The Jikes compiler's startup time was so much faster than Sun's javac, and Java compilers perform very few optimizations when compiling source to bytecode. (My understanding is that the spec restricts which optimizations are allowed.) JikesRVM (a JVM written in Java) had surprisingly good performance for a small research project. It's bootstrap process involved AoT-compiling itself, so it would have been not too big a leap to have a general non-GCJ AoT for Java years earlier, and (because it uses its normal second-tier JIT for AoT compilation) presumably not too difficult to get the hot paths all re-inlined and re-optimized even through the AoT-compiled code. I think a very small minority of developers or users preferred the look of Swing (or worse, AWT) widgets to SWT. Sure, SWT widgets looked different across platforms, but the alien look of Swing/AWT widgets was very off-putting to users (and to a lesser extent, I tihnk, developers).
  - _pmf_ 6y ago
    SWT was extremely nice.
    - lokedhs 6y ago
      I disagree. Did you write code for it? It was terrible as a Java library. Very low level, forcing you to manually manage resources like it was C. The API design was also terrible, seemingly designed by someone who had never seen Java before.
  - asveikau 6y ago
    AWT used native widgets. It looked less alien than Swing. Swing also had a theme engine (PLAF I believe it was called) that wasn't terrible. It could look like Motif or Windows or Apple had one that looked like Aqua, set as their default back when they bundled JVM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_look_and_feel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_look_and_feel
    - int_19h 6y ago
      Originally, that platform L&F was pretty bad - for example, fonts were rendered using some bundled engine (FreeType?), instead of the OS text APIs. On Windows, at least, this meant no ClearType, which made all Java apps on XP+ with default settings stick out like a sore thumb.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    Bongo was by far the most advanced user interface toolkit and editor for Java of its time. It had a HyperCard-like GUI editor AND an interactive script editor that let you build and edit applications and user interfaces while they were running, just like HyperCard, instead of recompiling and restarting every time you made a change. https://people.apache.org/~jim/NewArchitect/webtech/1997/10/note/index.html https://people.apache.org/~jim/NewArchitect/webtech/1997/10/... >Feel the Beat with Marimba's Bongo >By Chris Baron >In 1996, four programmers from the original Java-development team left Sun to form Marimba and produce industrial-strength Java-development tools for user interface and application administration. Bongo, one of Marimba's two shipping products, allows developers to create either a Java-application interface or a standalone Java-based application called a "presentation." A Bongo presentation resembles a HyperCard stack -- it allows developers to quickly create an application with a sophisticated user interface, but without the tedious programming of directly coding in Java or C/C++. Bongo's nonprogramming, visual approach makes it ideal for producing simple applications that don't involve a lot of processing, such as product demonstrations, user-interface prototypes, and training applications. Bongo is fully integrated with Castanet, Marimba's other product, a technology for remotely installing and updating Java applications. https://www.amazon.com/Official-Marimba-Guide-Bongo-Goodman/dp/1575212544 https://www.amazon.com/Official-Marimba-Guide-Bongo-Goodman/... >Official Marimba Guide to Bongo, by Danny Goodman
- michaelfeathers 6y ago
  Another fun one.. Selenium was given its name because that element is used to treat mercury poisoning. (Mercury was a testing tool of that time).
  - rodgerd 6y ago
    Parts of OpenStack were named after the biggest logging company in the Amazon, which seems... less amusing.
chrisbuc 6y ago
I think the headline writer should be rightly proud of that one. Made me smile, anyway :D

by ape4 6y ago

Funny headline: "Total Eclipse to depart" https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/12/eclipse_moves_to_europe/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/12/eclipse_moves_to_eu...

DonHopkins 6y ago

IBM strategically named Eclipse to piss off Sun (and it worked: Sun couldn't come to grips with the total eclipse). It's ironic now that you can have a total Eclipse without the Sun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLk2vSXXtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLk2vSXXtk Total Eclipse: Klaus Nomi (from "Urgh! A Music War") Big shots Argue about what they've got Making the planet so hot Hot as a holocaust Blow up Everything's gonna go up Even if you don't show up In your Chemise Lacoste Total eclipse It's a total eclipse It's a total eclipse of the sun Can't come to grips with the total eclipse Just a slip of the lips and you're done Fall out Nobody left to crawl out If someone calls We're all out Turning in to French fries Last dance Let the entire cast dance Do the dismembered blast dance As we get atomized! Total eclipse It's a total eclipse It's a total eclipse of the sun Can't come to grips with the total eclipse Just a slip of the lips and you're done

KMag 6y ago
Jikes, JikesRVM (formerly Jalepeno JVM), and SWT were all solid Java projects from IBM. I'm really sad that Sun didn't sell off Java to IBM before selling the rest of itself to Oracle ("the lawnmower", according to Bryan Cantrill). I understand that a big part of Sun's value was in Java, but the many-core high-I/O-bandwidth server business was still valuable to Oracle and synergized pretty well with Oracle's business (outside of the legal department). The value to the world as a whole was much higher with IBM (or, at a second choice, Google) owning Java and Oracle (or some other high-I/O bandwidth enterprise product vendor) owning the Sun hardware business. The Jikes compiler's startup time was so much faster than Sun's javac, and Java compilers perform very few optimizations when compiling source to bytecode. (My understanding is that the spec restricts which optimizations are allowed.) JikesRVM (a JVM written in Java) had surprisingly good performance for a small research project. It's bootstrap process involved AoT-compiling itself, so it would have been not too big a leap to have a general non-GCJ AoT for Java years earlier, and (because it uses its normal second-tier JIT for AoT compilation) presumably not too difficult to get the hot paths all re-inlined and re-optimized even through the AoT-compiled code. I think a very small minority of developers or users preferred the look of Swing (or worse, AWT) widgets to SWT. Sure, SWT widgets looked different across platforms, but the alien look of Swing/AWT widgets was very off-putting to users (and to a lesser extent, I tihnk, developers).
- _pmf_ 6y ago
  SWT was extremely nice.
  - lokedhs 6y ago
    I disagree. Did you write code for it? It was terrible as a Java library. Very low level, forcing you to manually manage resources like it was C. The API design was also terrible, seemingly designed by someone who had never seen Java before.
- asveikau 6y ago
  AWT used native widgets. It looked less alien than Swing. Swing also had a theme engine (PLAF I believe it was called) that wasn't terrible. It could look like Motif or Windows or Apple had one that looked like Aqua, set as their default back when they bundled JVM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_look_and_feel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_look_and_feel
  - int_19h 6y ago
    Originally, that platform L&F was pretty bad - for example, fonts were rendered using some bundled engine (FreeType?), instead of the OS text APIs. On Windows, at least, this meant no ClearType, which made all Java apps on XP+ with default settings stick out like a sore thumb.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Bongo was by far the most advanced user interface toolkit and editor for Java of its time. It had a HyperCard-like GUI editor AND an interactive script editor that let you build and edit applications and user interfaces while they were running, just like HyperCard, instead of recompiling and restarting every time you made a change. https://people.apache.org/~jim/NewArchitect/webtech/1997/10/note/index.html https://people.apache.org/~jim/NewArchitect/webtech/1997/10/... >Feel the Beat with Marimba's Bongo >By Chris Baron >In 1996, four programmers from the original Java-development team left Sun to form Marimba and produce industrial-strength Java-development tools for user interface and application administration. Bongo, one of Marimba's two shipping products, allows developers to create either a Java-application interface or a standalone Java-based application called a "presentation." A Bongo presentation resembles a HyperCard stack -- it allows developers to quickly create an application with a sophisticated user interface, but without the tedious programming of directly coding in Java or C/C++. Bongo's nonprogramming, visual approach makes it ideal for producing simple applications that don't involve a lot of processing, such as product demonstrations, user-interface prototypes, and training applications. Bongo is fully integrated with Castanet, Marimba's other product, a technology for remotely installing and updating Java applications. https://www.amazon.com/Official-Marimba-Guide-Bongo-Goodman/dp/1575212544 https://www.amazon.com/Official-Marimba-Guide-Bongo-Goodman/... >Official Marimba Guide to Bongo, by Danny Goodman
michaelfeathers 6y ago
Another fun one.. Selenium was given its name because that element is used to treat mercury poisoning. (Mercury was a testing tool of that time).
- rodgerd 6y ago
  Parts of OpenStack were named after the biggest logging company in the Amazon, which seems... less amusing.

chrisbuc 6y ago

I think the headline writer should be rightly proud of that one. Made me smile, anyway :D