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What do you think about .NET?

by yrio 6y ago

pron 6y ago
It's probably the closest contender [1], but its non-Windows story is still a handicap, as is Microsoft's habit of making sweeping incompatible changes to their development platforms every 5-6 years. [1]: A different philosophy that gives more control to the user in exchange for explicitness puts it ahead in some areas (structs) and behind in others (compilation quality, GC), but as a runtime engineer it's "technologically" behind (I work on OpenJDK so I'm biased, but I came to work on OpenJDK because that's where most interesting innovation in runtimes happens).
- moron4hire 6y ago
  Microsoft doesn't make breaking changes. I have code that has survived three or four of your supposed cycles that still runs completely fine.
  - orthoxerox 6y ago
    Microsoft did kill off or sunset some parts of the Framework. WCF, WWF, AppDomain, expression trees, dynamic, VB. People who wrote WCF services in VB for a living are probably extremely disappointed.
    - mr_custard 6y ago
      Disappointed? Not at all! I worked with it many years ago. Whilst WCF made some notable improvements over what existed within the ecosystem before it, it was still a sprawling, complex PITA and full of developer friction. Killing it off in this case was definitely the right thing to do :-)
    - jbeam 6y ago
      Do you have anything to support that expression trees are being sunset? I haven't seen anything of the sort, unless you are talking about a deprecated library that has been replaced. But System.Linq.Expressions is still around.
      - moron4hire 6y ago
        I've also seen nothing about DLR being removed
- ohitsdom 6y ago
  .NET Core's cross-platform tools and ecosystem is wonderful. I'm working on a small team and the devs are using Windows, Mac, and Linux. CI builds are a mix of Windows and Linux, deploying to Linux. I think their biggest weakness now is branding (.NET vs .NET Core). This will be fixed with .NET 5, which merges the two and will make all flavors of .NET cross-platform.

What do you think about .NET?

by yrio 6y ago

What do you think about .NET?

pron 6y ago

It's probably the closest contender [1], but its non-Windows story is still a handicap, as is Microsoft's habit of making sweeping incompatible changes to their development platforms every 5-6 years. [1]: A different philosophy that gives more control to the user in exchange for explicitness puts it ahead in some areas (structs) and behind in others (compilation quality, GC), but as a runtime engineer it's "technologically" behind (I work on OpenJDK so I'm biased, but I came to work on OpenJDK because that's where most interesting innovation in runtimes happens).

moron4hire 6y ago
Microsoft doesn't make breaking changes. I have code that has survived three or four of your supposed cycles that still runs completely fine.
- orthoxerox 6y ago
  Microsoft did kill off or sunset some parts of the Framework. WCF, WWF, AppDomain, expression trees, dynamic, VB. People who wrote WCF services in VB for a living are probably extremely disappointed.
  - mr_custard 6y ago
    Disappointed? Not at all! I worked with it many years ago. Whilst WCF made some notable improvements over what existed within the ecosystem before it, it was still a sprawling, complex PITA and full of developer friction. Killing it off in this case was definitely the right thing to do :-)
  - jbeam 6y ago
    Do you have anything to support that expression trees are being sunset? I haven't seen anything of the sort, unless you are talking about a deprecated library that has been replaced. But System.Linq.Expressions is still around.
    - moron4hire 6y ago
      I've also seen nothing about DLR being removed
ohitsdom 6y ago
.NET Core's cross-platform tools and ecosystem is wonderful. I'm working on a small team and the devs are using Windows, Mac, and Linux. CI builds are a mix of Windows and Linux, deploying to Linux. I think their biggest weakness now is branding (.NET vs .NET Core). This will be fixed with .NET 5, which merges the two and will make all flavors of .NET cross-platform.