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I've long believed that bitcoin started as a CIA black budget program. I know it's out there, but they are one of the few organizations with the development ski

I've long believed that bitcoin started as a CIA black budget program. I know it's out there, but they are one of the few organizations with the development skills and opsec skills to put out an anonymous application. The motivation makes a lot of sense too. The dubbed successor to Nakamoto visited the CIA. [1] Speculated about in the article, my theory has always been that it was an interview of sorts. Anyway, just a conspiracy. Take it with a large grain of salt. 1. https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/19/satoshi-nakamoto-left-bitcoin-because-of-the-cia-theory-cryptocurrency/ https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/19/satoshi-nakamoto-...

Craighead 6y ago
Bitcoin is very likely the Chinese government. Not everything is the big spooky CIA, other less democratic secret services are far more ruthless and untethered than America's
polynomial 6y ago
Agree that it is an enticing and certainly plausible theory, but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA and Satoshi disappearing right after that, even if you grant them n-dimensional chess plot mastery, unless Gavin was either a mole all along, or inexplicably turned into one. Edit: I won't delete this, as I think it's an interesting discussion, but I immediately realized they could have just been playing Gavin all along. And his scene with CSW certainly highlighted his gullibility. Hmmm...
- jacobush 6y ago
  I wonder though, if it turned out they way they expected it to. In that (far fetched IMHO) case.
  - coinitude 6y ago
    Was getting caught part of your plan? Of course... Dr. Back refused our offer in favor of yours, we had to find out what he told you. Nothing! I said nothing! Well, congratulations! You got yourself caught! Now what's the next step in your master plan?
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA Just so it's clear I was deeply hurt with the loss of Gavin in our Community, and it shows why Power should never be trusted with Humans, given it's propensity to corrupt--who the hell would call him Chief Scientist of an open-source project, besides the Foundation?! However well meaning a person may be or seem. With that said, I think his visit to the CIA was a co-opt which is why he teamed up with Hearn (ex-google) to try and make a play for Bitcoin XT/Classic forks. He had become the face of Bitcoin after Satoshi, and was US based, so it makes sense the CIA wanted to meet with him. What was unexpected was Gavin's actions afterwards, Cypherpunks (espeically the Crypto-Anarchist type that were the norm in Bitcoin back then) aren't traditionally afraid to go to Prison for thier convictions: as we've seen since Zimmerman and PgP. Hal was the person that embodied Bitcoin the most, but given his health it makes sense why he took a backseat to it all and let the children take the spotlight. CSW was a farce, giving Gavin an immediate exit from the Community by then; subsequently, it cost him his entire reputation and his standing. @NullC: what do you have to say about any of this if you're reading this?
  - jron 6y ago
    Gavin's endorsement of CSW really is one of the strangest things in Bitcoin's history. Barely Sociable's Satoshi reveal touches on it a bit. I also think it is pretty telling that Greg hasn't publicly commented (that I'm aware of) on the video despite still refuting CSW nonsense on an extremely regular basis. As someone with a ton of respect for Greg, I too would love to hear his thoughts.
    - nullc 6y ago
      Hmh? The video is high production value barely disguised nonsense, through and through. Most of the content is uncritically rehashing the same thoroughly discredited talking points that Roger Ver has been paying astroturfers to repost for years (the weird allegations about Theymos, for example). For click-bait and harassment purposes they stuck some nonsense about Adam Back at the very end of it-- using arguments that were thoroughly debunked such as the use of two spaces after periods when they were applied to other people. Lots of people in Bitcoin have destroyed or otherwise declined to share any private communications with Satoshi, myself included. Personally I think lowly of people who've shared such communications. I posted crapping on this video within minutes of watching it, two days ago. As far as Gavin goes-- His (substantially unwithdrawn) endorsement of Wright just made clear to the public what a lot of other people had known about him for quite some time. When Gavin's endorsement of Wright came out the shocking part was less that he'd do something like that, the shocking part was that he apparently thought he'd get away with it.
nullc 6y ago
> The dubbed successor Self dubbed.
- jacobush 6y ago
  Ah, trustless :)

Craighead 6y ago

Bitcoin is very likely the Chinese government. Not everything is the big spooky CIA, other less democratic secret services are far more ruthless and untethered than America's

polynomial 6y ago

Agree that it is an enticing and certainly plausible theory, but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA and Satoshi disappearing right after that, even if you grant them n-dimensional chess plot mastery, unless Gavin was either a mole all along, or inexplicably turned into one. Edit: I won't delete this, as I think it's an interesting discussion, but I immediately realized they could have just been playing Gavin all along. And his scene with CSW certainly highlighted his gullibility. Hmmm...

jacobush 6y ago
I wonder though, if it turned out they way they expected it to. In that (far fetched IMHO) case.
- coinitude 6y ago
  Was getting caught part of your plan? Of course... Dr. Back refused our offer in favor of yours, we had to find out what he told you. Nothing! I said nothing! Well, congratulations! You got yourself caught! Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Melting_Harps 6y ago
> but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA Just so it's clear I was deeply hurt with the loss of Gavin in our Community, and it shows why Power should never be trusted with Humans, given it's propensity to corrupt--who the hell would call him Chief Scientist of an open-source project, besides the Foundation?! However well meaning a person may be or seem. With that said, I think his visit to the CIA was a co-opt which is why he teamed up with Hearn (ex-google) to try and make a play for Bitcoin XT/Classic forks. He had become the face of Bitcoin after Satoshi, and was US based, so it makes sense the CIA wanted to meet with him. What was unexpected was Gavin's actions afterwards, Cypherpunks (espeically the Crypto-Anarchist type that were the norm in Bitcoin back then) aren't traditionally afraid to go to Prison for thier convictions: as we've seen since Zimmerman and PgP. Hal was the person that embodied Bitcoin the most, but given his health it makes sense why he took a backseat to it all and let the children take the spotlight. CSW was a farce, giving Gavin an immediate exit from the Community by then; subsequently, it cost him his entire reputation and his standing. @NullC: what do you have to say about any of this if you're reading this?
- jron 6y ago
  Gavin's endorsement of CSW really is one of the strangest things in Bitcoin's history. Barely Sociable's Satoshi reveal touches on it a bit. I also think it is pretty telling that Greg hasn't publicly commented (that I'm aware of) on the video despite still refuting CSW nonsense on an extremely regular basis. As someone with a ton of respect for Greg, I too would love to hear his thoughts.
  - nullc 6y ago
    Hmh? The video is high production value barely disguised nonsense, through and through. Most of the content is uncritically rehashing the same thoroughly discredited talking points that Roger Ver has been paying astroturfers to repost for years (the weird allegations about Theymos, for example). For click-bait and harassment purposes they stuck some nonsense about Adam Back at the very end of it-- using arguments that were thoroughly debunked such as the use of two spaces after periods when they were applied to other people. Lots of people in Bitcoin have destroyed or otherwise declined to share any private communications with Satoshi, myself included. Personally I think lowly of people who've shared such communications. I posted crapping on this video within minutes of watching it, two days ago. As far as Gavin goes-- His (substantially unwithdrawn) endorsement of Wright just made clear to the public what a lot of other people had known about him for quite some time. When Gavin's endorsement of Wright came out the shocking part was less that he'd do something like that, the shocking part was that he apparently thought he'd get away with it.

nullc 6y ago

> The dubbed successor Self dubbed.

jacobush 6y ago
Ah, trustless :)