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Clearly this is a CIA plot. I know people who work in JPMorgan and they have shown me APIs specifically designed to detect deep web bitcoin purchases. Let's j

Clearly this is a CIA plot. I know people who work in JPMorgan and they have shown me APIs specifically designed to detect deep web bitcoin purchases. Let's just say that there's no such thing as privacy anymore.

fourstar 6y ago
So what are ZEC and XMR?
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TACIXAT 6y ago
I've long believed that bitcoin started as a CIA black budget program. I know it's out there, but they are one of the few organizations with the development skills and opsec skills to put out an anonymous application. The motivation makes a lot of sense too. The dubbed successor to Nakamoto visited the CIA. [1] Speculated about in the article, my theory has always been that it was an interview of sorts. Anyway, just a conspiracy. Take it with a large grain of salt. 1. https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/19/satoshi-nakamoto-left-bitcoin-because-of-the-cia-theory-cryptocurrency/ https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/19/satoshi-nakamoto-...
- Craighead 6y ago
  Bitcoin is very likely the Chinese government. Not everything is the big spooky CIA, other less democratic secret services are far more ruthless and untethered than America's
- polynomial 6y ago
  Agree that it is an enticing and certainly plausible theory, but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA and Satoshi disappearing right after that, even if you grant them n-dimensional chess plot mastery, unless Gavin was either a mole all along, or inexplicably turned into one. Edit: I won't delete this, as I think it's an interesting discussion, but I immediately realized they could have just been playing Gavin all along. And his scene with CSW certainly highlighted his gullibility. Hmmm...
  - jacobush 6y ago
    I wonder though, if it turned out they way they expected it to. In that (far fetched IMHO) case.
    - coinitude 6y ago
      Was getting caught part of your plan? Of course... Dr. Back refused our offer in favor of yours, we had to find out what he told you. Nothing! I said nothing! Well, congratulations! You got yourself caught! Now what's the next step in your master plan?
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA Just so it's clear I was deeply hurt with the loss of Gavin in our Community, and it shows why Power should never be trusted with Humans, given it's propensity to corrupt--who the hell would call him Chief Scientist of an open-source project, besides the Foundation?! However well meaning a person may be or seem. With that said, I think his visit to the CIA was a co-opt which is why he teamed up with Hearn (ex-google) to try and make a play for Bitcoin XT/Classic forks. He had become the face of Bitcoin after Satoshi, and was US based, so it makes sense the CIA wanted to meet with him. What was unexpected was Gavin's actions afterwards, Cypherpunks (espeically the Crypto-Anarchist type that were the norm in Bitcoin back then) aren't traditionally afraid to go to Prison for thier convictions: as we've seen since Zimmerman and PgP. Hal was the person that embodied Bitcoin the most, but given his health it makes sense why he took a backseat to it all and let the children take the spotlight. CSW was a farce, giving Gavin an immediate exit from the Community by then; subsequently, it cost him his entire reputation and his standing. @NullC: what do you have to say about any of this if you're reading this?
    - jron 6y ago
      Gavin's endorsement of CSW really is one of the strangest things in Bitcoin's history. Barely Sociable's Satoshi reveal touches on it a bit. I also think it is pretty telling that Greg hasn't publicly commented (that I'm aware of) on the video despite still refuting CSW nonsense on an extremely regular basis. As someone with a ton of respect for Greg, I too would love to hear his thoughts.
- nullc 6y ago
  > The dubbed successor Self dubbed.
  - jacobush 6y ago
    Ah, trustless :)
sand_castles 6y ago
Maybe, but CIA plots have failed in the past too. Waiting for Russia and China to introduce their own crypto.
selsta 6y ago
Bitcoin being private is a misconception, it is pseudonymous at best. There are other projects like Monero or Zcash that are trying to solve this.
- tsukurimashou 6y ago
  its 'private' and 'anonymous' as long as no one can trace back the transactions to your wallet, hence the need for bitcoin mixers for 'unsafe' purchases
  - selsta 6y ago
    Here is an example for a perfectly private Bitcoin transaction: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Example_-_A_perfectly_private_donation https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Example_-_A_perfectly_pri... Solo-mining a block is basically impossible these days. Also I would assume all remaining Bitcoin mixers are honeypots. You can get some degree of privacy in Bitcoin with coinjoin but it is slow, cumbersome, has high fees and is not a proper solution for decentralised cash. There is also the possibility of ending up with tainted Bitcoins. I also disagree that you only need privacy for “unsafe” transactions. Everyone has a right to privacy in their day to day life.
  - slfnflctd 6y ago
    I know someone who bought a few hundred bucks worth of bitcoin a couple years ago out of curiosity, trying to maintain anonymity the whole time. He was able to set up an account on an exchange through TOR with no personal info, but in order to transfer cash his only real option was to deposit it into the bitcoin seller's account at a bank he'd never been to before (where he was still, of course, on security cameras). His conclusion was that the only reason people aren't being prosecuted across the board for dark web purchases is because it benefits the authorities to let them think they can get away with smaller transactions so they'll be tempted to make larger ones.
    - Melting_Harps 6y ago
      > His conclusion was that the only reason people aren't being prosecuted across the board for dark web purchases is because it benefits the authorities to let them think they can get away with smaller transactions so they'll be tempted to make larger ones. Possible, but that negates the fact this tech can and should be mainly be used P2P. There are still options for good OPSEC outside if you're willing to step away from your keyboard. It most certainly won't be cheap, or convenient (most times) that much is clear, but its totally do-able even now to remain entirely untied to your tx.
killswitched 6y ago
Perhaps one can track those who pushed bitcoin early on: those who were connected to founders of Silicon Valley properties we all know and love. The name suggests Japan and Hawaii are obvious nexuses to investigate. Punahou grads, Japanese connected CIA folks perhaps?
duxup 6y ago
>Let's just say that there's no such thing as privacy anymore. Considering how bitcoin works, was that all that likely anyhow with Bitcoin?

fourstar 6y ago

So what are ZEC and XMR?

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TACIXAT 6y ago

I've long believed that bitcoin started as a CIA black budget program. I know it's out there, but they are one of the few organizations with the development skills and opsec skills to put out an anonymous application. The motivation makes a lot of sense too. The dubbed successor to Nakamoto visited the CIA. [1] Speculated about in the article, my theory has always been that it was an interview of sorts. Anyway, just a conspiracy. Take it with a large grain of salt. 1. https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/19/satoshi-nakamoto-left-bitcoin-because-of-the-cia-theory-cryptocurrency/ https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/19/satoshi-nakamoto-...

Craighead 6y ago
Bitcoin is very likely the Chinese government. Not everything is the big spooky CIA, other less democratic secret services are far more ruthless and untethered than America's
polynomial 6y ago
Agree that it is an enticing and certainly plausible theory, but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA and Satoshi disappearing right after that, even if you grant them n-dimensional chess plot mastery, unless Gavin was either a mole all along, or inexplicably turned into one. Edit: I won't delete this, as I think it's an interesting discussion, but I immediately realized they could have just been playing Gavin all along. And his scene with CSW certainly highlighted his gullibility. Hmmm...
- jacobush 6y ago
  I wonder though, if it turned out they way they expected it to. In that (far fetched IMHO) case.
  - coinitude 6y ago
    Was getting caught part of your plan? Of course... Dr. Back refused our offer in favor of yours, we had to find out what he told you. Nothing! I said nothing! Well, congratulations! You got yourself caught! Now what's the next step in your master plan?
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > but it doesn't seem to line up with the actual events of Gavin visiting the CIA Just so it's clear I was deeply hurt with the loss of Gavin in our Community, and it shows why Power should never be trusted with Humans, given it's propensity to corrupt--who the hell would call him Chief Scientist of an open-source project, besides the Foundation?! However well meaning a person may be or seem. With that said, I think his visit to the CIA was a co-opt which is why he teamed up with Hearn (ex-google) to try and make a play for Bitcoin XT/Classic forks. He had become the face of Bitcoin after Satoshi, and was US based, so it makes sense the CIA wanted to meet with him. What was unexpected was Gavin's actions afterwards, Cypherpunks (espeically the Crypto-Anarchist type that were the norm in Bitcoin back then) aren't traditionally afraid to go to Prison for thier convictions: as we've seen since Zimmerman and PgP. Hal was the person that embodied Bitcoin the most, but given his health it makes sense why he took a backseat to it all and let the children take the spotlight. CSW was a farce, giving Gavin an immediate exit from the Community by then; subsequently, it cost him his entire reputation and his standing. @NullC: what do you have to say about any of this if you're reading this?
  - jron 6y ago
    Gavin's endorsement of CSW really is one of the strangest things in Bitcoin's history. Barely Sociable's Satoshi reveal touches on it a bit. I also think it is pretty telling that Greg hasn't publicly commented (that I'm aware of) on the video despite still refuting CSW nonsense on an extremely regular basis. As someone with a ton of respect for Greg, I too would love to hear his thoughts.
nullc 6y ago
> The dubbed successor Self dubbed.
- jacobush 6y ago
  Ah, trustless :)

sand_castles 6y ago

Maybe, but CIA plots have failed in the past too. Waiting for Russia and China to introduce their own crypto.

selsta 6y ago

Bitcoin being private is a misconception, it is pseudonymous at best. There are other projects like Monero or Zcash that are trying to solve this.

tsukurimashou 6y ago
its 'private' and 'anonymous' as long as no one can trace back the transactions to your wallet, hence the need for bitcoin mixers for 'unsafe' purchases
- selsta 6y ago
  Here is an example for a perfectly private Bitcoin transaction: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Example_-_A_perfectly_private_donation https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Example_-_A_perfectly_pri... Solo-mining a block is basically impossible these days. Also I would assume all remaining Bitcoin mixers are honeypots. You can get some degree of privacy in Bitcoin with coinjoin but it is slow, cumbersome, has high fees and is not a proper solution for decentralised cash. There is also the possibility of ending up with tainted Bitcoins. I also disagree that you only need privacy for “unsafe” transactions. Everyone has a right to privacy in their day to day life.
- slfnflctd 6y ago
  I know someone who bought a few hundred bucks worth of bitcoin a couple years ago out of curiosity, trying to maintain anonymity the whole time. He was able to set up an account on an exchange through TOR with no personal info, but in order to transfer cash his only real option was to deposit it into the bitcoin seller's account at a bank he'd never been to before (where he was still, of course, on security cameras). His conclusion was that the only reason people aren't being prosecuted across the board for dark web purchases is because it benefits the authorities to let them think they can get away with smaller transactions so they'll be tempted to make larger ones.
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > His conclusion was that the only reason people aren't being prosecuted across the board for dark web purchases is because it benefits the authorities to let them think they can get away with smaller transactions so they'll be tempted to make larger ones. Possible, but that negates the fact this tech can and should be mainly be used P2P. There are still options for good OPSEC outside if you're willing to step away from your keyboard. It most certainly won't be cheap, or convenient (most times) that much is clear, but its totally do-able even now to remain entirely untied to your tx.

killswitched 6y ago

Perhaps one can track those who pushed bitcoin early on: those who were connected to founders of Silicon Valley properties we all know and love. The name suggests Japan and Hawaii are obvious nexuses to investigate. Punahou grads, Japanese connected CIA folks perhaps?

duxup 6y ago

>Let's just say that there's no such thing as privacy anymore. Considering how bitcoin works, was that all that likely anyhow with Bitcoin?