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I don't think that is often trivial and it wouldn't surprise me to see junior programmers struggle with things like that, but maybe the average junior programme

I don't think that is often trivial and it wouldn't surprise me to see junior programmers struggle with things like that, but maybe the average junior programmer is better than I expect.

MattGaiser 7y ago
V1 skimped on many of the things we might consider requirements such as preventing SQL injection. For a long time the username and password for this service consisted of hard coded if statements for each client. Plenty of plaintext passwords. Default admin logins. Even seen a frontend password checker with jQuery. So it isn't software we would consider production acceptable. The code quality is atrocious. None of these people I know who do this would ever get hired as a software engineer by any company that does a coding interview. But you pair their can-do attitude with a willingness to sell and tell them to use Django so they can get away with not knowing a lot about key software concepts, and you can make a living off selling niche atrocious software. Plus, 90% of what most small businesses need could be replicated in Wordpress with plugins.Plenty of money there too.
- ge96 7y ago
  > in Wordpress with plugins My first dev job we just crapped out WordPress sites, I mean WP was just a "headless CMS" pretty much, since it has auth/users/routing/editor out of the box. So we just built pretty pages/uis. It was interesting, in that level, the owners of the company were making bank. There was something I made that cost $30K and I was like wow... I was not paid anywhere near that. This other thing a single person developed was over 6 figures... I think that's an example of selling value over quantified time(within reason). Oh and with WooCommerce you again had this "headless" shopping system and you could throw your own styles on it.
  - MattGaiser 7y ago
    Oh yes. My aunt paid $8000 for nothing more than a Wordpress gallery for her business and paid $100 for every change she wanted to make. People who don't know tech will pay a lot for it.
    - ge96 7y ago
      Man whoever sold that sounds like they made bank. I'm not sure what upkeep you have to deal with regarding Wordpress security but yeah. Sounds like it's low-risk enough generally eg. just show pictures.
      - MattGaiser 7y ago
        You periodically need to update the PHP version to keep up. I have a dormant personal website and maybe 1-2 years I have to go update the PHP when I get an email about it.
        ge96 7y ago
        That sounds nice/convenient. I only recently started adding "down detectors" to some of my sites regarding the automated notification of any upkeep, cool stuff.

I don't think that is often trivial and it wouldn't surprise me to see junior programmers struggle with things like that, but maybe the average junior programmer is better than I expect.

MattGaiser 7y ago

V1 skimped on many of the things we might consider requirements such as preventing SQL injection. For a long time the username and password for this service consisted of hard coded if statements for each client. Plenty of plaintext passwords. Default admin logins. Even seen a frontend password checker with jQuery. So it isn't software we would consider production acceptable. The code quality is atrocious. None of these people I know who do this would ever get hired as a software engineer by any company that does a coding interview. But you pair their can-do attitude with a willingness to sell and tell them to use Django so they can get away with not knowing a lot about key software concepts, and you can make a living off selling niche atrocious software. Plus, 90% of what most small businesses need could be replicated in Wordpress with plugins.Plenty of money there too.

ge96 7y ago
> in Wordpress with plugins My first dev job we just crapped out WordPress sites, I mean WP was just a "headless CMS" pretty much, since it has auth/users/routing/editor out of the box. So we just built pretty pages/uis. It was interesting, in that level, the owners of the company were making bank. There was something I made that cost $30K and I was like wow... I was not paid anywhere near that. This other thing a single person developed was over 6 figures... I think that's an example of selling value over quantified time(within reason). Oh and with WooCommerce you again had this "headless" shopping system and you could throw your own styles on it.
- MattGaiser 7y ago
  Oh yes. My aunt paid $8000 for nothing more than a Wordpress gallery for her business and paid $100 for every change she wanted to make. People who don't know tech will pay a lot for it.
  - ge96 7y ago
    Man whoever sold that sounds like they made bank. I'm not sure what upkeep you have to deal with regarding Wordpress security but yeah. Sounds like it's low-risk enough generally eg. just show pictures.
    - MattGaiser 7y ago
      You periodically need to update the PHP version to keep up. I have a dormant personal website and maybe 1-2 years I have to go update the PHP when I get an email about it.
      - ge96 7y ago
        That sounds nice/convenient. I only recently started adding "down detectors" to some of my sites regarding the automated notification of any upkeep, cool stuff.