The heroin example is a fair point. I'm not sure. In practice, it's hard to think of examples of conscious beings that don't suffer. As to the latter, it doe

The heroin example is a fair point. I'm not sure. In practice, it's hard to think of examples of conscious beings that don't suffer. As to the latter, it doesn't seem that that would be torture. As I said, though, I think we ultimately know nothing about this subject. Nor can we, even in principle.