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What On Earth are you talking about??

by qubex 6y ago

aea12 6y ago
How horrifically inappropriate your entire story was, and how worse off we all are having read it. You had that one in the bag waiting for “crematorium” to be contextual, I’m sure, but I’m only left saddened about human experience arriving at the end of your story without a shred of hesitation at making light of someone’s indignity in such spectacular fashion. And, on top of it, you plopped “unfortunately” behind someone... talking to you, then co-opted their horrible story to share with all of us here. I feel like I need a shower and I didn’t expect to read “that one time a worker annoyed me with a story about a fat person being removed from an oven half-cremated” on an article about Linux in Azure. Jesus Christ.
- vageli 6y ago
  I think your interpretation is more telling of your own worldview than the parent. It had never occurred to me that such a failure mode could happen, and I thought it was a good story to share. It seems like something that may have been caught had a crematorium management system been in place.
  - aea12 6y ago
    My own worldview that people are universally people and we all deserve dignity in death? Yeah, I know, what a tragic way of looking at things. I drink myself to death over it. Even accepting your criticism, the same exact thing is communicable without (a) the unnecessary detail about the decedent’s weight and (b) specific recollections of the event in question. Tradespeople communicate like that among each other because of how grim the work is. I know because I was one before I got thrown in with this lot, who apparently think I’m weird for not being on board with an aborted cremation being communicated in detail because it’s ostensibly a JIRA user story in waiting, if I’ve understood your almost equally distasteful worldview correctly. I’m looking forward to your startup addressing this issue, since you seem to be so keen on the purity of the engineering discussion beyond irrelevant brain filling on an article about operating systems in the bloody datacenter.
    - vageli 6y ago
      Goodness, it seems your speech becomes more inflammatory with every edit. I'm sorry if I offended you—I think talking about the disasters are important in engineering—it's part of the process. In the same vein that FAA regulations are "written in blood". The deceased's weight could have been (and sounds like it was) a compounding factor in this event. It seems a process improvement could have prevented this, but we should avoid the entire conversation because it involved death? edit: To address the content of another edit you made: yes, part of what makes HackerNews the incredible place it is is from people sharing anecdotes and semi-related stories. I really don't care to continue this conversation, your hostility is unwarranted.
      - aea12 6y ago
        The only thing that offends me in this conversation is what this profession, and forum, do to people. You very poignantly included. Keep trying to turn this around on me and my sensibilities or sense of offense, and I’ll keep right on ignoring it. I’m very comfortable on the absolutely right side of this, and just about as annoyed as OP was that you’re interacting with me at all and that I have to share a planet with people who think like you. When an FAA policymaker gets on HN and tells us what the deceased passengers on the airplane smelled like, you’ll have an argument. There’s a difference between dancing among the foul and treating it clinically, and hitting me with the latter in a thread doing the former is incredibly disingenuous.
      - dang 6y ago
        Can you please review the site guidelines and note this one? "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - kbenson 6y ago
      I think perhaps you need to consider that how you interpret something may not be how it was intended, nor what it was meant to convey, and often the best way to respond to something that seems to deeply offend you is to first confirm that you understand what the other party was actually communicating. For example, what you seem to interpret as people finding humor in the indignity of a botched portion of someone's funeral, others might interpret as a cautionary tale about what can happen if people are not careful about how crematoriums are run, and the pain it can cause to loved ones and the indignity it can cause to the deceased when the people shirk the maintenance required by the tools they use to do their job in these industries. In that respect, it's no different than a story where a cemetary did not maintain their backhoe, and the family showed up for a burial and the grave was not dug because the machine broke. Given how the post was spawned from a someone noting a Crematorium Management System (and the lack of an open source option), I would hazard that a cautionary tale about what might happen if you aren't managing your Crematorium well is how it should have been interpreted.
jshevek 6y ago
I think this site would be improved if there were a guideline discouraging not just snark, but also sarcasm. Sarcasm is often a technique for covering unwarranted accusations, strawmen, bitterness, and worse behind vague innuendo and implication, which makes it more difficult to uncover and address the real nature of the toxicity and dysfunction motivating the sarcastic comments. If a commenter is encouraged to voice their criticism and premises more directly and explicitly, the merit (or lack thereof) of their position is more readily subject to honest examination.
dang 6y ago
Can you please review the site guidelines and note this one? "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What On Earth are you talking about??

by qubex 6y ago

What On Earth are you talking about??

How horrifically inappropriate your entire story was, and how worse off we all are having read it. You had that one in the bag waiting for “crematorium” to be contextual, I’m sure, but I’m only left saddened about human experience arriving at the end of your story without a shred of hesitation at making light of someone’s indignity in such spectacular fashion. And, on top of it, you plopped “unfortunately” behind someone... talking to you, then co-opted their horrible story to share with all of us here. I feel like I need a shower and I didn’t expect to read “that one time a worker annoyed me with a story about a fat person being removed from an oven half-cremated” on an article about Linux in Azure. Jesus Christ.

vageli 6y ago
I think your interpretation is more telling of your own worldview than the parent. It had never occurred to me that such a failure mode could happen, and I thought it was a good story to share. It seems like something that may have been caught had a crematorium management system been in place.
- aea12 6y ago
  My own worldview that people are universally people and we all deserve dignity in death? Yeah, I know, what a tragic way of looking at things. I drink myself to death over it. Even accepting your criticism, the same exact thing is communicable without (a) the unnecessary detail about the decedent’s weight and (b) specific recollections of the event in question. Tradespeople communicate like that among each other because of how grim the work is. I know because I was one before I got thrown in with this lot, who apparently think I’m weird for not being on board with an aborted cremation being communicated in detail because it’s ostensibly a JIRA user story in waiting, if I’ve understood your almost equally distasteful worldview correctly. I’m looking forward to your startup addressing this issue, since you seem to be so keen on the purity of the engineering discussion beyond irrelevant brain filling on an article about operating systems in the bloody datacenter.
  - vageli 6y ago
    Goodness, it seems your speech becomes more inflammatory with every edit. I'm sorry if I offended you—I think talking about the disasters are important in engineering—it's part of the process. In the same vein that FAA regulations are "written in blood". The deceased's weight could have been (and sounds like it was) a compounding factor in this event. It seems a process improvement could have prevented this, but we should avoid the entire conversation because it involved death? edit: To address the content of another edit you made: yes, part of what makes HackerNews the incredible place it is is from people sharing anecdotes and semi-related stories. I really don't care to continue this conversation, your hostility is unwarranted.
    - aea12 6y ago
      The only thing that offends me in this conversation is what this profession, and forum, do to people. You very poignantly included. Keep trying to turn this around on me and my sensibilities or sense of offense, and I’ll keep right on ignoring it. I’m very comfortable on the absolutely right side of this, and just about as annoyed as OP was that you’re interacting with me at all and that I have to share a planet with people who think like you. When an FAA policymaker gets on HN and tells us what the deceased passengers on the airplane smelled like, you’ll have an argument. There’s a difference between dancing among the foul and treating it clinically, and hitting me with the latter in a thread doing the former is incredibly disingenuous.
    - dang 6y ago
      Can you please review the site guidelines and note this one? "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - kbenson 6y ago
    I think perhaps you need to consider that how you interpret something may not be how it was intended, nor what it was meant to convey, and often the best way to respond to something that seems to deeply offend you is to first confirm that you understand what the other party was actually communicating. For example, what you seem to interpret as people finding humor in the indignity of a botched portion of someone's funeral, others might interpret as a cautionary tale about what can happen if people are not careful about how crematoriums are run, and the pain it can cause to loved ones and the indignity it can cause to the deceased when the people shirk the maintenance required by the tools they use to do their job in these industries. In that respect, it's no different than a story where a cemetary did not maintain their backhoe, and the family showed up for a burial and the grave was not dug because the machine broke. Given how the post was spawned from a someone noting a Crematorium Management System (and the lack of an open source option), I would hazard that a cautionary tale about what might happen if you aren't managing your Crematorium well is how it should have been interpreted.

jshevek 6y ago

I think this site would be improved if there were a guideline discouraging not just snark, but also sarcasm. Sarcasm is often a technique for covering unwarranted accusations, strawmen, bitterness, and worse behind vague innuendo and implication, which makes it more difficult to uncover and address the real nature of the toxicity and dysfunction motivating the sarcastic comments. If a commenter is encouraged to voice their criticism and premises more directly and explicitly, the merit (or lack thereof) of their position is more readily subject to honest examination.

dang 6y ago

Can you please review the site guidelines and note this one? "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html