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I'm genuinely concerned about rioting. Many of my childhood friends (living in LA) have already been incredibly angry at measures before this came out, and man

I'm genuinely concerned about rioting. Many of my childhood friends (living in LA) have already been incredibly angry at measures before this came out, and many other protests have already been seen. It seems strange to me to not try to do a partial reopening of businesses that can guarantee social distancing guidelines -- and yet they're reopening recreational activities, including the beach. This feels back-asswards, and I really hope it works out well, but I think they need to think this through really carefully.

skywhopper 6y ago
Did you read the article? Because your concerns are addressed. The beaches are planned to reopen soon, and there are procedures in place for partial reopening of some businesses.
- jeromegv 6y ago
  The fact you have to ask this question is the answer, of course the OP did not read the article.
  - starik36 6y ago
    True, but the article title could have reflected the contents much better.
    - agitator 6y ago
      Yeah definitely click baity.
- syshum 6y ago
  Not the parent but I am not paying $98 to read the story.... So no I did not, maybe people should post links only to non-pay walled sources
- KerryJones 6y ago
  Admittedly, I had skimmed parts of the article, though it seems like you didn't read my message either. I mentioned in my original message that the beaches were being reopened soon... so unsure why you're drawing attention to it again. I had missed that they are planning to reopen some businesses: > Under the plan, some in-restaurant dining, car washes and shopping malls could also be allowed to reopen in coming weeks if public health officials in a county are able to demonstrate that the spread of the virus has stabilized and that they have adequate testing and hospital capacity. Specifically: "dining, car washes and shopping malls could" These are _not_ the type of businesses I was referring to. I meant more along the lines of factories, and other "not quite essential, but maybe essential" such as dental offices.
pcdoodle 6y ago
This is the goal. Lookup the corbett report.
- ipsum2 6y ago
  I have no idea what it is, but it seems like a conspiracy channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoTebYF90w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoTebYF90w
  - pcdoodle 6y ago
    indie journalist
    - kevinwang 6y ago
      Looks like a lot of conspiracy theories though?
      - dylz 6y ago
        This looks a lot more like a conspiracy blog than anything else.
      - pcdoodle 6y ago
        The content speaks for itself. Turn on your bullshit meter and dive in!
  - birdyrooster 6y ago
    What is wrong about the video? It's just criticizing Bill Gates paternalistic and misguided command of public health from the Gates Foundation. Edit: I am not endorsing the channel, but this video seemed reasonable and didn't describe any conspiracy that wasn't well known (Microsoft anti trust).
    - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
      we'd clearly be waay better off with no organizations trying to figure out what's happening. The seattle flu study is a terrible thing (which started testing covid-19). The us federal govt has abrogated much of its responsibility, our only hope at this stage is local/state govts and ngos. These paranoid people things that bill gates is coming for their precious bodily fluids is sad but predictable.
fennecfoxen 6y ago
Wait until people find out that 50-70% of the population is fully expected to get infected anyway.
- DXA9zE 6y ago
  I don't think this has sunk in yet for most people. We can be thankful that the disease is barely any more deadly than an average flu. Here in Korea, some clubs were reopened and abrutly reclosed because of a spike in coronavirus cases linked to club. This totally confuses the objective. "Flattening the curve" is one thing, and "keeping everything closed until there is zero transmission ever again" is something else. It seems to me that the disease will be with us possibly forever. Whether we reopen today or 6 months from now. If LA County et al have this firm requirement of zero transmission to qualify for reopening: (1) This is not "flattening the curve" (2) This threshold may possibly never be reached
  - KerryJones 6y ago
    > is barely any more deadly than an average flu. This is heavily debated and the most optimistic of those estimates it at 10x worse -- current reported numbers are closer to 15-20x worse. NYs current mortality rate for this year compared to the flu is 21x: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86176 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86176 In addition, a lot of people aren't talking about the fact that this seemingly has left a lot of people with significantly longer lung problems: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
    - triyambakam 6y ago
      There is a study for every truth. There are plenty of other data showing it is hardly dangerous. Also, so many deaths are being counted as covid when the patient already had a severe condition - Dr Birx and many other public health officials have made this clear, too. The numbers are way inflated.
holler 6y ago
I firmly believe it's coming.. There's no way people are going to keep going along with it into summer, especially if the number of cases isn't growing or feels distant.
koenigdavidmj 6y ago
I can see this easily. Unemployment is insurance—it’s not designed for more than a small number of people actually using it at once. Once that money is gone, and the federal unemployment backup fund is gone, and the food bank has to turn people away, a good number of them will steal in order to eat.
int_19h 6y ago
I'm concerned about people wearing masks being targeted. We've already seen some of that early on, but it was before masks were broadly recommended, and was tied into anti-Asian racism. This time, I'm worried that masks are rapidly becoming the visible, prominent symbol of social distancing etc; there's already active pushback against them, and attempts to enforce them, to the point of extreme violence. At some point, merely wearing them around people who do not do so, becomes an unwelcome reminder to those people, even if you're really only wearing it for safety reasons.

skywhopper 6y ago

Did you read the article? Because your concerns are addressed. The beaches are planned to reopen soon, and there are procedures in place for partial reopening of some businesses.

jeromegv 6y ago
The fact you have to ask this question is the answer, of course the OP did not read the article.
- starik36 6y ago
  True, but the article title could have reflected the contents much better.
  - agitator 6y ago
    Yeah definitely click baity.
syshum 6y ago
Not the parent but I am not paying $98 to read the story.... So no I did not, maybe people should post links only to non-pay walled sources
KerryJones 6y ago
Admittedly, I had skimmed parts of the article, though it seems like you didn't read my message either. I mentioned in my original message that the beaches were being reopened soon... so unsure why you're drawing attention to it again. I had missed that they are planning to reopen some businesses: > Under the plan, some in-restaurant dining, car washes and shopping malls could also be allowed to reopen in coming weeks if public health officials in a county are able to demonstrate that the spread of the virus has stabilized and that they have adequate testing and hospital capacity. Specifically: "dining, car washes and shopping malls could" These are _not_ the type of businesses I was referring to. I meant more along the lines of factories, and other "not quite essential, but maybe essential" such as dental offices.

pcdoodle 6y ago

This is the goal. Lookup the corbett report.

ipsum2 6y ago
I have no idea what it is, but it seems like a conspiracy channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoTebYF90w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoTebYF90w
- pcdoodle 6y ago
  indie journalist
  - kevinwang 6y ago
    Looks like a lot of conspiracy theories though?
    - dylz 6y ago
      This looks a lot more like a conspiracy blog than anything else.
    - pcdoodle 6y ago
      The content speaks for itself. Turn on your bullshit meter and dive in!
- birdyrooster 6y ago
  What is wrong about the video? It's just criticizing Bill Gates paternalistic and misguided command of public health from the Gates Foundation. Edit: I am not endorsing the channel, but this video seemed reasonable and didn't describe any conspiracy that wasn't well known (Microsoft anti trust).
  - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
    we'd clearly be waay better off with no organizations trying to figure out what's happening. The seattle flu study is a terrible thing (which started testing covid-19). The us federal govt has abrogated much of its responsibility, our only hope at this stage is local/state govts and ngos. These paranoid people things that bill gates is coming for their precious bodily fluids is sad but predictable.

fennecfoxen 6y ago

Wait until people find out that 50-70% of the population is fully expected to get infected anyway.

DXA9zE 6y ago
I don't think this has sunk in yet for most people. We can be thankful that the disease is barely any more deadly than an average flu. Here in Korea, some clubs were reopened and abrutly reclosed because of a spike in coronavirus cases linked to club. This totally confuses the objective. "Flattening the curve" is one thing, and "keeping everything closed until there is zero transmission ever again" is something else. It seems to me that the disease will be with us possibly forever. Whether we reopen today or 6 months from now. If LA County et al have this firm requirement of zero transmission to qualify for reopening: (1) This is not "flattening the curve" (2) This threshold may possibly never be reached
- KerryJones 6y ago
  > is barely any more deadly than an average flu. This is heavily debated and the most optimistic of those estimates it at 10x worse -- current reported numbers are closer to 15-20x worse. NYs current mortality rate for this year compared to the flu is 21x: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86176 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86176 In addition, a lot of people aren't talking about the fact that this seemingly has left a lot of people with significantly longer lung problems: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
  - triyambakam 6y ago
    There is a study for every truth. There are plenty of other data showing it is hardly dangerous. Also, so many deaths are being counted as covid when the patient already had a severe condition - Dr Birx and many other public health officials have made this clear, too. The numbers are way inflated.

holler 6y ago

I firmly believe it's coming.. There's no way people are going to keep going along with it into summer, especially if the number of cases isn't growing or feels distant.

koenigdavidmj 6y ago

I can see this easily. Unemployment is insurance—it’s not designed for more than a small number of people actually using it at once. Once that money is gone, and the federal unemployment backup fund is gone, and the food bank has to turn people away, a good number of them will steal in order to eat.

int_19h 6y ago

I'm concerned about people wearing masks being targeted. We've already seen some of that early on, but it was before masks were broadly recommended, and was tied into anti-Asian racism. This time, I'm worried that masks are rapidly becoming the visible, prominent symbol of social distancing etc; there's already active pushback against them, and attempts to enforce them, to the point of extreme violence. At some point, merely wearing them around people who do not do so, becomes an unwelcome reminder to those people, even if you're really only wearing it for safety reasons.