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> This has about as much truth to it as people who say "perks are just to make you stay at the office longer!". > i.e. it's typically not a problem and can be

by vageli 6y ago

> This has about as much truth to it as people who say "perks are just to make you stay at the office longer!". > i.e. it's typically not a problem and can be very beneficial to the worker. Many states require payout of vacation time accrued at time of separation. How does that work for unlimited vacation?

ilikehurdles 6y ago
Except for I think California, it means no payout whatsoever. Fun! I've had unlimited policies before and I'm much happier having a specific number of days now that I use every year. Banks often require that employees take vacation, typically around 2 weeks a year. An employee-focused software company should implement a similar policy of "required minimum vacation" [1]. The connections I have in Germany working in relatively "low-skill" fields are taking over 5 weeks a year of PTO. Even the most generous companies in the US are a joke by comparison to the most barebones companies in many EU nations. Without collective bargaining, we will always be far behind in benefits. [1]: https://open.buffer.com/minimum-vacation/ https://open.buffer.com/minimum-vacation/
- Ductapemaster 6y ago
  Anectdote, but I've worked for both a company that does PTO accrual and one that does unlimited vacation. I was not paid out anything at the latter (this was less than a year ago). From my perspective, unlimited policies have a lot of upside on the financial front — they don't have to keep accrued PTO cash on the books. Of course, it has a benefit to workers, but only to those who take advantage of it and don't feel pressured by management or their peers to meet a certain number. It's been my experience so far that my peers at unlimited PTO companies take less time off, and that their "time off" is less valuable (meaning they are not completely logged out/tuned out of work) because it's coming from an infinite pool. At the end of the day, I think the balance of these policies shifts towards the financial side of the business rather than the employee's side.
- vageli 6y ago
  I was surprised to read California, as I thought the state provides pretty strong worker protections. This site [0] seems to say that you are owed the vacation time upon separation in CA. IANAL and all that. [0]: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/california-rules-vacation-paid-time-off.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/california-rules-vac...

by vageli 6y ago

ilikehurdles 6y ago

Except for I think California, it means no payout whatsoever. Fun! I've had unlimited policies before and I'm much happier having a specific number of days now that I use every year. Banks often require that employees take vacation, typically around 2 weeks a year. An employee-focused software company should implement a similar policy of "required minimum vacation" [1]. The connections I have in Germany working in relatively "low-skill" fields are taking over 5 weeks a year of PTO. Even the most generous companies in the US are a joke by comparison to the most barebones companies in many EU nations. Without collective bargaining, we will always be far behind in benefits. [1]: https://open.buffer.com/minimum-vacation/ https://open.buffer.com/minimum-vacation/

Ductapemaster 6y ago
Anectdote, but I've worked for both a company that does PTO accrual and one that does unlimited vacation. I was not paid out anything at the latter (this was less than a year ago). From my perspective, unlimited policies have a lot of upside on the financial front — they don't have to keep accrued PTO cash on the books. Of course, it has a benefit to workers, but only to those who take advantage of it and don't feel pressured by management or their peers to meet a certain number. It's been my experience so far that my peers at unlimited PTO companies take less time off, and that their "time off" is less valuable (meaning they are not completely logged out/tuned out of work) because it's coming from an infinite pool. At the end of the day, I think the balance of these policies shifts towards the financial side of the business rather than the employee's side.
vageli 6y ago
I was surprised to read California, as I thought the state provides pretty strong worker protections. This site [0] seems to say that you are owed the vacation time upon separation in CA. IANAL and all that. [0]: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/california-rules-vacation-paid-time-off.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/california-rules-vac...