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We host a lot of our infrastructure on Hetzner Cloud and are very happy, but to be fair it's a long long shot away from what AWS offers. You basically only have

We host a lot of our infrastructure on Hetzner Cloud and are very happy, but to be fair it's a long long shot away from what AWS offers. You basically only have compute, storage and networking, only three datacenters and two regions to choose from and no managed services at all. You also can't do advanced networking like announcing your own IP addresses (Hetzner only allows that in colocation). You also only have a few instance types available, with RAM maxing out at 32 GB and no GPU servers available. Don't get me wrong I love Hetzner and their cloud offering and I think they're doing a fantastic job, but it is not comparable to platforms like AWS, Azure or GCP. It's good enough for simple use cases but I think most large companies that want to switch from on-premise would have a hard time adopting it since so many crucial features are missing. The LIDL cloud will have the same problem I think: They will probably build it on top of OpenStack or Kubernetes but will never reach feature parity with AWS, Azure or GCP. I think in their niche (retailing, logistics) they might be able to get some good adoption if they offer specific services and infrastructure based on their own use cases and experience, but this isn't really competition for AWS, at least not in the broader sense.

d33 6y ago
> RAM maxing out at 32 GB This part is just not accurate. I'm running their dedicated server with 256 GiB RAM right now.
- sunaurus 6y ago
  Looking at https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud, the top of the line dedicated option seems to be CCX51, which only has 32GB (edit: 128GB, I must have misread). Do you have some sort of special deal with them?
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- ThePhysicist 6y ago
  Me and the parent commenter are talking about the Hetzner cloud offering, where the largest instances have 32 GB of RAM (https://www.hetzner.de/cloud https://www.hetzner.de/cloud). Sure you can get a dedicated server there with much more RAM and you can host your own hardware in their colocation facilities, but that has nothing to do with cloud computing in the common understanding of the term.
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- Chiron1991 6y ago
  He's taling about the cloud servers, they are indeed capped at 32GB. You're talking root servers. https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud
- karussell 6y ago
  For their dedicated servers you can have at least 712GB RAM. But for their cloud offering the maximum is only 128GB RAM. See https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud and click on "dedicated vCPU". btw: do not confuse "dedicated vCPU" with dedicated server.
  - ThePhysicist 6y ago
    I wasn't aware of that offering, thanks for letting me know.
siscia 6y ago
Honest question, Kubernets does not helps in closing the gap between AWS and Hetzner Cloud? I would think that an honest setup supported by k8s would, at least alleviate the need of managed solution? Are there AWS services without a competitive open source solution deployable in k8s?
- marcinzm 6y ago
  Kube removes some of the infrastructure burden of running your own solution but not all of it and that's not the only burden. For example, I can deploy Kafka on k8s. I still need to know enough about Kafka to be able to deploy it correctly (zookeeper, etc.). I need to know enough about k8s to know how Kafka can run on i and to fix issues. I then need to know enough about Kafka itself to tune it, fix issues, manage it, etc. Then there's interaction events such as upgrades which require coordinating between k8s and Kafka. And in the end I'd still be a novice at all of it.
  - siscia 6y ago
    I would guess that we could just give an external company control over a kube master and have them run their operator, which in turn will spin up all the necessary pods and stuff. You give a SSH certificate and you get back an IP address in your on-premises / cheap host with Kafka running along with monitors.
- viridian 6y ago
  Serverless? K8s is explicitly not operating in the same space as triggers and code not bound to any real instances.
  - onefuncman 6y ago
    https://github.com/kubeless/kubeless https://github.com/kubeless/kubeless seems pretty healthy to me
service_bus 6y ago
Hetzner is great until you have some sort of issue. They seem to either not have much in the way of internal procedures or just ignore them if they exist. As long as you're prepared for all of your data and backups to just disappear, it's a great low-cost environment. If you expect their operational team to not accidentally delete your environment, it just hasn't happened to you yet.
Hir0ki 6y ago
> They will probably build it on top of OpenStack or Kubernetes They are building it on top of OpenStack you can see it in there job offerings [1] [1] https://stackit.de/de/karriere/ https://stackit.de/de/karriere/

d33 6y ago

> RAM maxing out at 32 GB This part is just not accurate. I'm running their dedicated server with 256 GiB RAM right now.

sunaurus 6y ago
Looking at https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud, the top of the line dedicated option seems to be CCX51, which only has 32GB (edit: 128GB, I must have misread). Do you have some sort of special deal with them?
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ThePhysicist 6y ago
Me and the parent commenter are talking about the Hetzner cloud offering, where the largest instances have 32 GB of RAM (https://www.hetzner.de/cloud https://www.hetzner.de/cloud). Sure you can get a dedicated server there with much more RAM and you can host your own hardware in their colocation facilities, but that has nothing to do with cloud computing in the common understanding of the term.
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Chiron1991 6y ago
He's taling about the cloud servers, they are indeed capped at 32GB. You're talking root servers. https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud
karussell 6y ago
For their dedicated servers you can have at least 712GB RAM. But for their cloud offering the maximum is only 128GB RAM. See https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud and click on "dedicated vCPU". btw: do not confuse "dedicated vCPU" with dedicated server.
- ThePhysicist 6y ago
  I wasn't aware of that offering, thanks for letting me know.

siscia 6y ago

Honest question, Kubernets does not helps in closing the gap between AWS and Hetzner Cloud? I would think that an honest setup supported by k8s would, at least alleviate the need of managed solution? Are there AWS services without a competitive open source solution deployable in k8s?

marcinzm 6y ago
Kube removes some of the infrastructure burden of running your own solution but not all of it and that's not the only burden. For example, I can deploy Kafka on k8s. I still need to know enough about Kafka to be able to deploy it correctly (zookeeper, etc.). I need to know enough about k8s to know how Kafka can run on i and to fix issues. I then need to know enough about Kafka itself to tune it, fix issues, manage it, etc. Then there's interaction events such as upgrades which require coordinating between k8s and Kafka. And in the end I'd still be a novice at all of it.
- siscia 6y ago
  I would guess that we could just give an external company control over a kube master and have them run their operator, which in turn will spin up all the necessary pods and stuff. You give a SSH certificate and you get back an IP address in your on-premises / cheap host with Kafka running along with monitors.
viridian 6y ago
Serverless? K8s is explicitly not operating in the same space as triggers and code not bound to any real instances.
- onefuncman 6y ago
  https://github.com/kubeless/kubeless https://github.com/kubeless/kubeless seems pretty healthy to me

service_bus 6y ago

Hetzner is great until you have some sort of issue. They seem to either not have much in the way of internal procedures or just ignore them if they exist. As long as you're prepared for all of your data and backups to just disappear, it's a great low-cost environment. If you expect their operational team to not accidentally delete your environment, it just hasn't happened to you yet.

Hir0ki 6y ago

> They will probably build it on top of OpenStack or Kubernetes They are building it on top of OpenStack you can see it in there job offerings [1] [1] https://stackit.de/de/karriere/ https://stackit.de/de/karriere/