> This seems like a very strange take. This is a utilitarian perspective, but with a floor of 20 million years of utility before we take any action. Why shouldn

> This seems like a very strange take. This is a utilitarian perspective, but with a floor of 20 million years of utility before we take any action. Why shouldn't we take action if the mortality reduction years > lockdown externalities? You're essentially saying "we should take no action to prevent a disease from costing us 20 million wellbeing-years", which seems odd. You're right, that was my mistake. I got a rough 20 million life-years by taking Ferguson's worst-case scenario and then applying the "COVID-19 takes average 10 years of lives" claim (which is a false claim). Thus arriving at the implied scenario that lockdown proponents say could happen but that I think is an impossible to reach number. (For context I use Ferguson's 2.2 million as an upper bound, but that 2.2 million scenario involves an overwhelming portion of the deaths being people who were already at death's door. Thus I think 2.2 million is possible but highly unlikely due to the other factors I mentioned, whereas the 20 million life-years figure I view as basically impossible to hit because it implies that same worst-case scenario but with the wrong distribution of age) At that point I thought to myself "wait, I forgot to account for the negative externalities". But as you indicated, that logic was wrong. So, allow me to retroactively change my answer to just 20 million life-years period. Thanks for pointing that out. > It feels like you haven't looked deeply into the criteria that many metro areas (NYC, WA, and the Bay to name a few) have to reopen. They're specific and clear, and backed by reasonable thought. No, I understand their criteria but fundamentally disagree with the entire approach of containment, as I explained in the GP comment you replied to. > This isn't at all true. Look at China, Taiwan, and South Korea, which have all begun reopening, but with infrastructure in place to track and keep outbreaks contained even as they reopen. Some parts of the US are on track to do the same relatively soon (weeks, not months or years). I don't believe that the US can use the same strategy that China, South Korea, or Taiwan has been using. They have much better control of their borders and are a much more homogenous and compliant population.