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It invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. You try to nitpick half a sentence and take it out of context. You know nothing.

by babesh 6y ago

danans 6y ago
> It invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. I agree that they are interconnected, but the places with higher population and population density (the 7 Bay Area counties) are even more interconnected on a human basis. The idea that Bay Area counties should compromise their lockdowns for San Joaquin county commuters makes no sense. Their policies should be driven by their shared public health priorities. > You know nothing. Vitriol is an ineffective argumentative technique.
- babesh 6y ago
  I stand by the statement. You again pick and choose parts of statements. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+things+out+of+context https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+things+out+of+cont... Do you really think there is less movement of people between San Joaquin County and these counties versus Marin County and these counties? Marin County is one of this group. Do you really think that Marin County is a densely populated urban area? Marin County has ~250K people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California San Joaquin County has probably >700K people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County%2C_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County%2C_Californ... Furthermore, San Joaquin County has a higher population density than Marin County. I-580 has ~300K per day in the Tri-Valley area connecting San Joaquin and Alameda counties. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-year-later-I-580-pay-to-use-lanes-are-a-11007105.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-year-later-I-580-pa... The Golden Gate Bridge connecting Marin County to San Francisco County has ~112K a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge#Usage_and_tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge#Usage_and_t... The Richmond San Rafael Bridge connecting Marin County to Contra Costa County has ~80K a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond–San_Rafael_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond–San_Rafael_Bridge 300 >> (112 + 80). And don't give me BS about other means of transportation. Those ferries from Marin carry in the low thousands a day. The trains and buses running from San Joaquin Valley in carry far more. It will skew even further on the side of San Joaquin County. Your argument is repeatedly repudiated by the facts, your logic is weak, you try to score points on irrelevancies, and yet you continue to try to argue. e.g. You know nothing, Jon Snow.
  - danans 6y ago
    Who said anything about Marin? Oh right, it's just you cherry picking the least dense Bay Area county. Here are the 2010 commute flows between the counties from the state of CA metropolitan transport commission itself. http://www.vitalsigns.mtc.ca.gov/commute-patterns http://www.vitalsigns.mtc.ca.gov/commute-patterns Alameda county sees the greatest flow of commuters in the Bay Area. San Joaquin counties commuters are a fraction of those in and out of Alameda county. They are dwarfed by the flow from to/from SF, Contra Costa, and Santa Clara counties. If you have an issue with that study, take it up with the state MTA. I'm sure they'd love to hear your criticisms. > Your argument is repeatedly repudiated by the facts, your logic is weak, you try to score points on irrelevancies, and yet you continue to try to argue. e.g. You know nothing, Jon Snow. Right back at ya boss...
    - babesh 6y ago
      Marin County is one of the six counties in the group that form the lockdown group. If you don’t know that then you really have problems. Based on your criteria San Joaquin is a better candidate to be in the group than Marin County. Good bye, I am tired with arguing with you. Waste of time.

It invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. You try to nitpick half a sentence and take it out of context. You know nothing.

by babesh 6y ago

It invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. You try to nitpick half a sentence and take it out of context. You know nothing.

danans 6y ago

> It invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. I agree that they are interconnected, but the places with higher population and population density (the 7 Bay Area counties) are even more interconnected on a human basis. The idea that Bay Area counties should compromise their lockdowns for San Joaquin county commuters makes no sense. Their policies should be driven by their shared public health priorities. > You know nothing. Vitriol is an ineffective argumentative technique.

babesh 6y ago
I stand by the statement. You again pick and choose parts of statements. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+things+out+of+context https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+things+out+of+cont... Do you really think there is less movement of people between San Joaquin County and these counties versus Marin County and these counties? Marin County is one of this group. Do you really think that Marin County is a densely populated urban area? Marin County has ~250K people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California San Joaquin County has probably >700K people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County%2C_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County%2C_Californ... Furthermore, San Joaquin County has a higher population density than Marin County. I-580 has ~300K per day in the Tri-Valley area connecting San Joaquin and Alameda counties. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-year-later-I-580-pay-to-use-lanes-are-a-11007105.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-year-later-I-580-pa... The Golden Gate Bridge connecting Marin County to San Francisco County has ~112K a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge#Usage_and_tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge#Usage_and_t... The Richmond San Rafael Bridge connecting Marin County to Contra Costa County has ~80K a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond–San_Rafael_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond–San_Rafael_Bridge 300 >> (112 + 80). And don't give me BS about other means of transportation. Those ferries from Marin carry in the low thousands a day. The trains and buses running from San Joaquin Valley in carry far more. It will skew even further on the side of San Joaquin County. Your argument is repeatedly repudiated by the facts, your logic is weak, you try to score points on irrelevancies, and yet you continue to try to argue. e.g. You know nothing, Jon Snow.
- danans 6y ago
  Who said anything about Marin? Oh right, it's just you cherry picking the least dense Bay Area county. Here are the 2010 commute flows between the counties from the state of CA metropolitan transport commission itself. http://www.vitalsigns.mtc.ca.gov/commute-patterns http://www.vitalsigns.mtc.ca.gov/commute-patterns Alameda county sees the greatest flow of commuters in the Bay Area. San Joaquin counties commuters are a fraction of those in and out of Alameda county. They are dwarfed by the flow from to/from SF, Contra Costa, and Santa Clara counties. If you have an issue with that study, take it up with the state MTA. I'm sure they'd love to hear your criticisms. > Your argument is repeatedly repudiated by the facts, your logic is weak, you try to score points on irrelevancies, and yet you continue to try to argue. e.g. You know nothing, Jon Snow. Right back at ya boss...
  - babesh 6y ago
    Marin County is one of the six counties in the group that form the lockdown group. If you don’t know that then you really have problems. Based on your criteria San Joaquin is a better candidate to be in the group than Marin County. Good bye, I am tired with arguing with you. Waste of time.