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Provide some facts instead of hearsay. Here are some: - Did you know that Tesla has a shuttle between San Joaquin valley and the Tesla factory? Did you know th
by babesh 6y ago
Provide some facts instead of hearsay. Here are some:
- Did you know that Tesla has a shuttle between San Joaquin valley and the Tesla factory? Did you know that Tesla has factories in the San Joaquin valley?
- Did you know about Tracy being a massive bedroom community into Alameda County and beyond? Those people are providing services for Alameda County and beyond. Do you really think that all your service workers can afford to live in the 'core' Bay Area? I personally knew someone with a family in Tracy who worked in the South Bay and sometimes stayed over at his mother in Dublin because the commute was so bad. He laid carpets.
Go ask your Uber or Lyft driver where they live. Multiple have told me Sacramento.
Go ask a car salesman/saleswoman where they live. I asked. Tracy.
Go ask cancer patients from the Sacramento area where they get treatment. Think Stanford.
- Where do you think those workers at your weekly farmer's market live? Most of them come from San Joaquin valley. Look closely at where they say their farms are. Guess.
- Did you know that there are San Francisco city employees that commute daily from San Joaquin valley?
- Did you know about the massive traffic jam that is I-580 in the mornings? It used to get crowded by 5:30 am from the masses of people commuting in from San Joaquin valley. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/I-580-home-to-3-of-Bay-Area-s-worst-traffic-2706604.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/I-580-home-to-3-of-Ba... BTW, the article is from 2005. It's much worse than that.
Did you know about the ACE station in Tracy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Corridor_Express https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Corridor_Express
Do you know about the Amtrak train from Sacramento? I had two coworkers who took that daily into Contra Costa County. They lived in Roseville. Look up where that is located.
Ever wonder where multi-generational Bay Area families live? Do you really think that it is magically limited to the 'core' Bay Area? Think San Joaquin valley. I've got family there and I know several other 'core' Bay Area families who come from there and still have family there.
The entire western side of San Joaquin County is a de facto bedroom community for the 'core' Bay Area. Amazingly it even stretches into the Sacramento/Stockton area.
- danans 6y agoYes to all of your "Did you knows". I also have family in the central valley. If your point is that mega commutes are inversely correlated with income, I agree, but not sure what that has to do with the public health policy coordination by counties during the pandemic. The epicenter of every major outbreak of this disease is in dense urban areas like the Bay Area, so Alameda county is right to coordinate primarily with neighboring high density counties.
- babesh 6y agoIt invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. You try to nitpick half a sentence and take it out of context. You know nothing.
- danans 6y ago> It invalidates your point. The whole area is deeply interconnected. I agree that they are interconnected, but the places with higher population and population density (the 7 Bay Area counties) are even more interconnected on a human basis. The idea that Bay Area counties should compromise their lockdowns for San Joaquin county commuters makes no sense. Their policies should be driven by their shared public health priorities. > You know nothing. Vitriol is an ineffective argumentative technique.
- babesh 6y agoI stand by the statement. You again pick and choose parts of statements. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+things+out+of+context https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+things+out+of+cont... Do you really think there is less movement of people between San Joaquin County and these counties versus Marin County and these counties? Marin County is one of this group. Do you really think that Marin County is a densely populated urban area? Marin County has ~250K people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California San Joaquin County has probably >700K people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County%2C_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County%2C_Californ... Furthermore, San Joaquin County has a higher population density than Marin County. I-580 has ~300K per day in the Tri-Valley area connecting San Joaquin and Alameda counties. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-year-later-I-580-pay-to-use-lanes-are-a-11007105.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-year-later-I-580-pa... The Golden Gate Bridge connecting Marin County to San Francisco County has ~112K a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge#Usage_and_tourism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge#Usage_and_t... The Richmond San Rafael Bridge connecting Marin County to Contra Costa County has ~80K a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond–San_Rafael_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond–San_Rafael_Bridge 300 >> (112 + 80). And don't give me BS about other means of transportation. Those ferries from Marin carry in the low thousands a day. The trains and buses running from San Joaquin Valley in carry far more. It will skew even further on the side of San Joaquin County. Your argument is repeatedly repudiated by the facts, your logic is weak, you try to score points on irrelevancies, and yet you continue to try to argue. e.g. You know nothing, Jon Snow.