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> This was when Dr Fauci, WHO etc were all giving away wrong info. Why are you trusting them but not trusting Elon? Elon said on March 19 that cases would go t

> This was when Dr Fauci, WHO etc were all giving away wrong info. Why are you trusting them but not trusting Elon? Elon said on March 19 that cases would go to zero. WHO had declared a public health emergency in January and in February was warning publicly that western governments weren’t taking it seriously. WHO declared it a pandemic on March 11, eight days before Elon’s tweet. Here is what they were saying Feb 28, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-of-coronavirus-to-very-high-at-global-level.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-o... Regarding your other quotes 1. This was February 17. Yes, the mask advice was wrong although in line with western medical establishment thinking. 2. Fauci did not say cruises were totally fine. he said not to go if you were elderly or had a preexisting condition. Which is probably the majority of cruise line passengers. Two days before he had already said “When I say protect, I mean right now. Not wait until things get worse. Say no large crowds, no long trips. And above all, don't get on a cruise ship.” (Dr Fauci, March 8) Elon has repeatedly shown himself to not understand the threat of the virus.

busymom0 6y ago
It seems like you are willing to give Fauci and WHO the benefit of the doubt when they say opposite things but call Elon "He spreads conspiracy theories about hospitals over-counting cases for profit" even when he's factually correct. Fauci said on March 10th "If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." So how exactly is Elon opening his factory consisting of young employees with easy social distancing worse than what Fauci says? It's much easier to stay at a distance and wear masks at a factory than on a cruise ship. He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong? I just don't get it. Here's CDC post from May 1st regarding how this is "comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season": https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 > According to the latest CDC COVIDView report, increases in hospitalization rates for COVID-19, which are cumulative, have started to level off. The hospitalization rate is highest among adults 65 and older and similar to what has been seen during a comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season Fauci, WHO, modelers etc whose only job is to make predictions on these sort of things have been consistently wrong and yet people are willing to take their advice as gospel.
- javagram 6y ago
  > So how exactly is Elon opening his factory consisting of young employees with easy social distancing worse than what Fauci says? It's much easier to stay at a distance and wear masks at a factory than on a cruise ship. He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong? I just don't get it. I’ve never heard anything about factories only employing healthy young people. That sounds like age discrimination, so if Elon is doing that he could also be reported. The people who are staying home are being threatened with loss of pay and unemployment insurance. Have you read any of the news articles about the workers who have died at meatpacking plants because their managers pushed them to keep coming in and then the whole plant got infected? > Fauci, WHO, modelers etc whose only job is to make predictions on these sort of things have been consistently wrong and yet people are willing to take their advice as gospel. Wrong in the wrong direction. They underpredicted how bad this would be. The White House including Fauci was touting the IHME model of 60,000 deaths from the virus by august 1st, we are already at 80,000 deaths and rising fast. Same for other modelers, e.g. Imperial College who predicted 20,000 deaths in the UK with lockdown and the UK has already hit 40,000 deaths. Doesn’t exactly cause me to think Elon is more trustworthy. Everything he’s sharing and pushing online has been to downplay the threat of the virus even more than our governments have. I think he obviously cares a lot more about his factory and making money than he does about the virus.
  - busymom0 6y ago
    I think you are being disingenuous on purpose because you are always giving benefit of the doubt to people like Fauci, Imperial College, WHO etc while not providing the same to people like Elon and my comment. > I’ve never heard anything about factories only employing healthy young people. That sounds like age discrimination, so if Elon is doing that he could also be reported. You are being disingenuous here because it's obvious that most employees are under 60-65 years old anyway in workforce. Age of Tesla and SpaceX employees is quite young: > While the median age is also lower than the average though closer to the pack with 29 for SpaceX and 30 for Tesla. https://electrek.co/2016/03/07/tesla-and-spacex-standout-in-tech-employee-survey-for-the-most-stressful-and-lowest-paying-jobs-but-also-most-meaningful/ https://electrek.co/2016/03/07/tesla-and-spacex-standout-in-... While 80% of US coronavirus deaths have been among people 65 and older: https://www.businessinsider.com/most-us-coronavirus-deaths-ages-65-older-cdc-report-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/most-us-coronavirus-deaths-a... > because their managers pushed them to keep coming in and then the whole plant got infected Again, you are being disingenuous because neither Elon, nor my comment said he's pushing people to come in. In my parent comment I specifically stated this but seems like you either ignored it or are being insincere: "He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong?" > Wrong in the wrong direction. They underpredicted how bad this would b Again, being disingenuous. You specifically used the example of the revised IHME model of 60,000 deaths and not the one which they predicted before that where they predicted 510,000 deaths in G.B. and 2.2 million in the U.S. The 60,000 deaths prediction also stated the range to be between 31,221 and 126,703. Neil Ferguson, the modelers of the Imperial College model was recently caught and caused him to resign because despite being infected himself, he wasn't following his own quarantine guidelines and was sleeping with a mistress: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-govern... The same Imperial College's Neil Ferguson has been consistently wrong about many predictions: > [Imperial College epidemiologist Neil] Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . . > In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE. > In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009. > In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K. > Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-real-scandal-is-why-did-anyone-ever-listen-to-this-guy/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-rea... CDC has specifically stated that this is similar to "a recent high severity flu season": https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 > According to the latest CDC COVIDView report, increases in hospitalization rates for COVID-19, which are cumulative, have started to level off. The hospitalization rate is highest among adults 65 and older and similar to what has been seen during a comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season We cannot just keep everything shut down forever when a large majority of deaths are in older than 65 years and people with pre-existing health conditions. Because of these draconian lockdowns, the number of suicides, mental health related issues, suicide hotlines have exploded, child abuse and domestic abuse is skyrocketing, people with other health conditions including cancer diagnosis are going undiagnosed. Doesn't even mention the millions of people jobless, losing their business and unable to afford food. The UN says that 130 MILLION people worldwide could be on the brink of starvation by the end of 2020 due to coronavirus lockdown. They predict that 300,000 could die every day over a 3 month period if people are not able to get the help they need. Tell me more about why we need to stay locked down: https://web.archive.org/web/20200501032211/https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warns-hunger-pandemic-covid-19-spreads-statement-un-security-council https://web.archive.org/web/20200501032211/https://www.wfp.o... Have you looked at the numbers of how many deaths per year we have from cigarettes, flu and pneumonia, car accidents etc? Should we ban cigarettes and driving too until there are zero deaths?

busymom0 6y ago

It seems like you are willing to give Fauci and WHO the benefit of the doubt when they say opposite things but call Elon "He spreads conspiracy theories about hospitals over-counting cases for profit" even when he's factually correct. Fauci said on March 10th "If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." So how exactly is Elon opening his factory consisting of young employees with easy social distancing worse than what Fauci says? It's much easier to stay at a distance and wear masks at a factory than on a cruise ship. He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong? I just don't get it. Here's CDC post from May 1st regarding how this is "comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season": https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 > According to the latest CDC COVIDView report, increases in hospitalization rates for COVID-19, which are cumulative, have started to level off. The hospitalization rate is highest among adults 65 and older and similar to what has been seen during a comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season Fauci, WHO, modelers etc whose only job is to make predictions on these sort of things have been consistently wrong and yet people are willing to take their advice as gospel.

javagram 6y ago
> So how exactly is Elon opening his factory consisting of young employees with easy social distancing worse than what Fauci says? It's much easier to stay at a distance and wear masks at a factory than on a cruise ship. He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong? I just don't get it. I’ve never heard anything about factories only employing healthy young people. That sounds like age discrimination, so if Elon is doing that he could also be reported. The people who are staying home are being threatened with loss of pay and unemployment insurance. Have you read any of the news articles about the workers who have died at meatpacking plants because their managers pushed them to keep coming in and then the whole plant got infected? > Fauci, WHO, modelers etc whose only job is to make predictions on these sort of things have been consistently wrong and yet people are willing to take their advice as gospel. Wrong in the wrong direction. They underpredicted how bad this would be. The White House including Fauci was touting the IHME model of 60,000 deaths from the virus by august 1st, we are already at 80,000 deaths and rising fast. Same for other modelers, e.g. Imperial College who predicted 20,000 deaths in the UK with lockdown and the UK has already hit 40,000 deaths. Doesn’t exactly cause me to think Elon is more trustworthy. Everything he’s sharing and pushing online has been to downplay the threat of the virus even more than our governments have. I think he obviously cares a lot more about his factory and making money than he does about the virus.
- busymom0 6y ago
  I think you are being disingenuous on purpose because you are always giving benefit of the doubt to people like Fauci, Imperial College, WHO etc while not providing the same to people like Elon and my comment. > I’ve never heard anything about factories only employing healthy young people. That sounds like age discrimination, so if Elon is doing that he could also be reported. You are being disingenuous here because it's obvious that most employees are under 60-65 years old anyway in workforce. Age of Tesla and SpaceX employees is quite young: > While the median age is also lower than the average though closer to the pack with 29 for SpaceX and 30 for Tesla. https://electrek.co/2016/03/07/tesla-and-spacex-standout-in-tech-employee-survey-for-the-most-stressful-and-lowest-paying-jobs-but-also-most-meaningful/ https://electrek.co/2016/03/07/tesla-and-spacex-standout-in-... While 80% of US coronavirus deaths have been among people 65 and older: https://www.businessinsider.com/most-us-coronavirus-deaths-ages-65-older-cdc-report-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/most-us-coronavirus-deaths-a... > because their managers pushed them to keep coming in and then the whole plant got infected Again, you are being disingenuous because neither Elon, nor my comment said he's pushing people to come in. In my parent comment I specifically stated this but seems like you either ignored it or are being insincere: "He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong?" > Wrong in the wrong direction. They underpredicted how bad this would b Again, being disingenuous. You specifically used the example of the revised IHME model of 60,000 deaths and not the one which they predicted before that where they predicted 510,000 deaths in G.B. and 2.2 million in the U.S. The 60,000 deaths prediction also stated the range to be between 31,221 and 126,703. Neil Ferguson, the modelers of the Imperial College model was recently caught and caused him to resign because despite being infected himself, he wasn't following his own quarantine guidelines and was sleeping with a mistress: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-govern... The same Imperial College's Neil Ferguson has been consistently wrong about many predictions: > [Imperial College epidemiologist Neil] Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . . > In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE. > In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009. > In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K. > Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-real-scandal-is-why-did-anyone-ever-listen-to-this-guy/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-rea... CDC has specifically stated that this is similar to "a recent high severity flu season": https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 > According to the latest CDC COVIDView report, increases in hospitalization rates for COVID-19, which are cumulative, have started to level off. The hospitalization rate is highest among adults 65 and older and similar to what has been seen during a comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season We cannot just keep everything shut down forever when a large majority of deaths are in older than 65 years and people with pre-existing health conditions. Because of these draconian lockdowns, the number of suicides, mental health related issues, suicide hotlines have exploded, child abuse and domestic abuse is skyrocketing, people with other health conditions including cancer diagnosis are going undiagnosed. Doesn't even mention the millions of people jobless, losing their business and unable to afford food. The UN says that 130 MILLION people worldwide could be on the brink of starvation by the end of 2020 due to coronavirus lockdown. They predict that 300,000 could die every day over a 3 month period if people are not able to get the help they need. Tell me more about why we need to stay locked down: https://web.archive.org/web/20200501032211/https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warns-hunger-pandemic-covid-19-spreads-statement-un-security-council https://web.archive.org/web/20200501032211/https://www.wfp.o... Have you looked at the numbers of how many deaths per year we have from cigarettes, flu and pneumonia, car accidents etc? Should we ban cigarettes and driving too until there are zero deaths?