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Trying to pass off CPAP machines as ventilators, promising that there will be no cases in middle April, and promoting conspiracy theories that the number of dea

Trying to pass off CPAP machines as ventilators, promising that there will be no cases in middle April, and promoting conspiracy theories that the number of deaths have been inflated, when they are almost certainly understated. Yeah, Musk is definitely the guy I wanna be taking advice from in this crisis. And that’s before we even get to promising to send a submarine to save some trapped kids, and when the person who actually helped save them instead of the mythical submarine says it wouldn’t work calling him a paedophile.

wollstonecraft 6y ago
It turned out that ventilators kill coronavirus patients at a much higher rate than CPAP machines.
Haga 6y ago
Cpaps are way more useful as ventilators. If yo are on the vent with covid19 you are as good as done. The problem is one of supply chains.. They are withering and dieing atm. If you don't keep them alive at all cost, the ecosystem around your company is gone once you reopen. Its even worser In Europe due to car complexity..
concordDance 6y ago
Most of that is misleading. I reccommend people google these events rather than take thawaway1837's post at face value.
- junipertea 6y ago
  I thought all of that is pretty accurate summary without much bias. Which statement is misleading?
  - concordDance 6y ago
    More or less all of it. For example, Elon asked hospitals what they needed and plenty did want CPAP machines (which are a type of ventilator). A much smaller number of invasive ventilators were provisioned (more expensive and probably harder to acquire) as well. That there are data collection issues that mean COVID19 deaths are inflated (or undercounted! There are factors pushing it both ways) is not a conspiracy theory, it is frequently discussed in mainstream media like the BBC. For the cave thing, Musk did in fact send people and had them make some prototype mini submarines to help rescue the kids. It wasn't a bad idea (or so the diver who actually found the kids claimed), just not the one they actually went with in the end. The guy he got into a spat with was a British diver living in Thailand who helped recruiting the British divers who actually did the work. Musk won the resulting defamation lawsuit. Basically all of the statements in the grandparent post omit any facts that get in the way of Musk looking bad.
    - DSMan195276 6y ago
      For the ventilator thing, I agree it was blown out of proportion. I think Elon using the term "ventilator" may have been misleading, but it's also not necessarily wrong, and he did actually deliver the machines to the hospitals. > That there are data collection issues that mean COVID19 deaths are inflated (or undercounted! There are factors pushing it both ways) is not a conspiracy theory, it is frequently discussed in mainstream media like the BBC. I have not seen anything remotely suggesting we're over-counting, and honestly the idea is silly. You can't just explain away the number of excess deaths we had in April. > For the cave thing, Musk did in fact send people and had them make some prototype mini submarines to help rescue the kids. It wasn't a bad idea (or so the diver who actually found the kids claimed), just not the one they actually went with in the end. The guy he got into a spat with was a British diver living in Thailand who helped recruiting the British divers who actually did the work. Musk won the resulting defamation lawsuit. Yeah but... He still called him a pedophile did he not? Just because he didn't win a defamation suit for a variety of reasons doesn't suddenly make it ok.
      - concordDance 6y ago
        My point was about the poster I replied to omitted any facts that got in the way of Musk looking bad. I'm not going to say Musk calling a non-pedophile a pedophile was good (though it was sorta a tit for tat situation, with the guy saying Musk was only trying to rescue the boys for PR so Musk says the retired diver was only trying to rescue the boys to diddle them). Regarding COVID 19, the BBC has been repeatedly telling me that most countries are counting deaths with COVID19 as COVID 19 deaths (resulting in an overcount) and has been telling me that the response to the virus itself is likely causing many deaths due to things like people being more reluctant to go to hospital, higher depression due to isolation/general climate of fear, no in person access to GPs and similar issues.

wollstonecraft 6y ago

It turned out that ventilators kill coronavirus patients at a much higher rate than CPAP machines.

Haga 6y ago

Cpaps are way more useful as ventilators. If yo are on the vent with covid19 you are as good as done. The problem is one of supply chains.. They are withering and dieing atm. If you don't keep them alive at all cost, the ecosystem around your company is gone once you reopen. Its even worser In Europe due to car complexity..

concordDance 6y ago

Most of that is misleading. I reccommend people google these events rather than take thawaway1837's post at face value.

junipertea 6y ago
I thought all of that is pretty accurate summary without much bias. Which statement is misleading?
- concordDance 6y ago
  More or less all of it. For example, Elon asked hospitals what they needed and plenty did want CPAP machines (which are a type of ventilator). A much smaller number of invasive ventilators were provisioned (more expensive and probably harder to acquire) as well. That there are data collection issues that mean COVID19 deaths are inflated (or undercounted! There are factors pushing it both ways) is not a conspiracy theory, it is frequently discussed in mainstream media like the BBC. For the cave thing, Musk did in fact send people and had them make some prototype mini submarines to help rescue the kids. It wasn't a bad idea (or so the diver who actually found the kids claimed), just not the one they actually went with in the end. The guy he got into a spat with was a British diver living in Thailand who helped recruiting the British divers who actually did the work. Musk won the resulting defamation lawsuit. Basically all of the statements in the grandparent post omit any facts that get in the way of Musk looking bad.
  - DSMan195276 6y ago
    For the ventilator thing, I agree it was blown out of proportion. I think Elon using the term "ventilator" may have been misleading, but it's also not necessarily wrong, and he did actually deliver the machines to the hospitals. > That there are data collection issues that mean COVID19 deaths are inflated (or undercounted! There are factors pushing it both ways) is not a conspiracy theory, it is frequently discussed in mainstream media like the BBC. I have not seen anything remotely suggesting we're over-counting, and honestly the idea is silly. You can't just explain away the number of excess deaths we had in April. > For the cave thing, Musk did in fact send people and had them make some prototype mini submarines to help rescue the kids. It wasn't a bad idea (or so the diver who actually found the kids claimed), just not the one they actually went with in the end. The guy he got into a spat with was a British diver living in Thailand who helped recruiting the British divers who actually did the work. Musk won the resulting defamation lawsuit. Yeah but... He still called him a pedophile did he not? Just because he didn't win a defamation suit for a variety of reasons doesn't suddenly make it ok.
    - concordDance 6y ago
      My point was about the poster I replied to omitted any facts that got in the way of Musk looking bad. I'm not going to say Musk calling a non-pedophile a pedophile was good (though it was sorta a tit for tat situation, with the guy saying Musk was only trying to rescue the boys for PR so Musk says the retired diver was only trying to rescue the boys to diddle them). Regarding COVID 19, the BBC has been repeatedly telling me that most countries are counting deaths with COVID19 as COVID 19 deaths (resulting in an overcount) and has been telling me that the response to the virus itself is likely causing many deaths due to things like people being more reluctant to go to hospital, higher depression due to isolation/general climate of fear, no in person access to GPs and similar issues.