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This argument would make more sense if tesla wasn't defined as essential by most relevant legal definitions of essential [0] - or at least portions of their bus

by gpm 7y ago

This argument would make more sense if tesla wasn't defined as essential by most relevant legal definitions of essential [0] - or at least portions of their business (solar panels) are and those portions were also shut down by the county. [0] Basically all of these include the federal governments list that can be found at the link below. This list explicitly includes the manufacture of solar panels amongst many other things. https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Version_3.0_CISA_Guidance_on_Essential_Critical_Infrastructure_Workers_4.pdf https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Versio... The only one relevant legal definition that doesn't, is Alameda county. But even they say "Businesses may also operate to manufacture distributed energy resource components, like solar panels." https://covid-19.acgov.org/covid19-assets/docs/5-4-20%20Alameda%20County%20SIP%20Order%20FAQ%205.9.20%2011%20AM.pdf https://covid-19.acgov.org/covid19-assets/docs/5-4-20%20Alam...

harryh 7y ago
The factory in Fremont manufactures cars not solar panels or grid batteries.
- gpm 7y ago
  Are you sure? I have the impression (not sure from where) that it was both cars and solar. I'd also point out that the federal list includes the following, so most of my point stands either way > Workers critical to the manufacturing, [...] of vehicles
scarmig 7y ago
The list you provide is 20 pages of bullet points listing jobs that are supposedly essential. I actually have a hard time figuring out a job that wouldn't qualify as essential. Also, at the top of the document: > This list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive or standard. Additionally, this advisory list is not intended to be the exclusive list of critical infrastructure sectors, workers, and functions that should continue during the COVID-19 response across all jurisdictions. Individual jurisdictions should add or subtract essential workforce categories based on their own requirements and discretion.
- gpm 7y ago
  Indeed it is, it turns out that there are lot of things that need to happen to keep the country semi-functional. While the document says it is advisory, it was incorporated into the general California order as things that should stay open (and the orders in many other states). It is advisory in nature because public health like this is a state matter not a federal matter.
- s1artibartfast 7y ago
  >But as soon as the government starts picking and choosing "nonessential" businesses to allow to open, every single nonessential business will be clamoring for an allowance and emboldened to present themselves as heroic frontline workers This is the list that the state and counties are using. They have been picking and choosing who gets to open on a case by case and largely arbitrary manner since the beginning.
  - take_a_breath 7y ago
    Can you give some examples of being arbitrary? Seems to me like they have a well-documented and communicated list.
    - s1artibartfast 7y ago
      The list contains basically every business in existence. The application is what is arbitrary. Factories with PPE and distancing is a no go, but construction is OK. You can go to a liquor store but can not get heart surgery. Then, on a national level you get bizzare edge cases like attempts to shut down drive in church services
      - take_a_breath 7y ago
        It seems pretty clear to me that elective heart surgery, you forgot that qualifier, would be restricted when it can only take place in a building that may be covered in virus. Liquor stores don’t contain intubated individuals suffering from COVID-19, so the risks are clearly different. Is that arbitrary? In a country of 330 million you’re bound to get edge cases, that doesn’t prove anything.

by gpm 7y ago

harryh 7y ago

The factory in Fremont manufactures cars not solar panels or grid batteries.

gpm 7y ago
Are you sure? I have the impression (not sure from where) that it was both cars and solar. I'd also point out that the federal list includes the following, so most of my point stands either way > Workers critical to the manufacturing, [...] of vehicles

scarmig 7y ago

The list you provide is 20 pages of bullet points listing jobs that are supposedly essential. I actually have a hard time figuring out a job that wouldn't qualify as essential. Also, at the top of the document: > This list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive or standard. Additionally, this advisory list is not intended to be the exclusive list of critical infrastructure sectors, workers, and functions that should continue during the COVID-19 response across all jurisdictions. Individual jurisdictions should add or subtract essential workforce categories based on their own requirements and discretion.

gpm 7y ago
Indeed it is, it turns out that there are lot of things that need to happen to keep the country semi-functional. While the document says it is advisory, it was incorporated into the general California order as things that should stay open (and the orders in many other states). It is advisory in nature because public health like this is a state matter not a federal matter.
s1artibartfast 7y ago
>But as soon as the government starts picking and choosing "nonessential" businesses to allow to open, every single nonessential business will be clamoring for an allowance and emboldened to present themselves as heroic frontline workers This is the list that the state and counties are using. They have been picking and choosing who gets to open on a case by case and largely arbitrary manner since the beginning.
- take_a_breath 7y ago
  Can you give some examples of being arbitrary? Seems to me like they have a well-documented and communicated list.
  - s1artibartfast 7y ago
    The list contains basically every business in existence. The application is what is arbitrary. Factories with PPE and distancing is a no go, but construction is OK. You can go to a liquor store but can not get heart surgery. Then, on a national level you get bizzare edge cases like attempts to shut down drive in church services
    - take_a_breath 7y ago
      It seems pretty clear to me that elective heart surgery, you forgot that qualifier, would be restricted when it can only take place in a building that may be covered in virus. Liquor stores don’t contain intubated individuals suffering from COVID-19, so the risks are clearly different. Is that arbitrary? In a country of 330 million you’re bound to get edge cases, that doesn’t prove anything.