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> He spreads conspiracy theories about hospitals over-counting cases for profit He didn't say that. He said there's an incentive to doing it which is a fact an

> He spreads conspiracy theories about hospitals over-counting cases for profit He didn't say that. He said there's an incentive to doing it which is a fact and hospital administrators are pressuring physicians to do it: > Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators > Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000." > Jensen clarified in the video that he doesn't think physicians are "gaming the system" so much as other "players," such as hospital administrators, who he said may pressure physicians to cite all diagnoses, including "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. Past practice, Jensen said, did not include probabilities. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac... > predicted no cases by the end of April This was when Dr Fauci, WHO etc were all giving away wrong info. Why are you trusting them but not trusting Elon? Dr. Fauci: > Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-di... > Don't wear masks: https://youtu.be/LScHAvufgfM https://youtu.be/LScHAvufgfM > Fauci told cruises were totally fine on March 10th. https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/#220f6db92d4d https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-say... People need top stop calling everything they don't like "conspiracy theories". They are often guilty of what they accuse others of 1000x.

alden_penny 7y ago
It's pointless to try to defend Musk on this website. It will get flagged and removed and no one listens to logic
- merpnderp 7y ago
  No one is actually countering Musk’s points, they’re just calling names and making fun as if those were arguments adults should use.
  - busymom0 7y ago
    Yep. I am very disappointed at the way a lot of people on this site are resolving to calling names. Sad times.
javagram 7y ago
> This was when Dr Fauci, WHO etc were all giving away wrong info. Why are you trusting them but not trusting Elon? Elon said on March 19 that cases would go to zero. WHO had declared a public health emergency in January and in February was warning publicly that western governments weren’t taking it seriously. WHO declared it a pandemic on March 11, eight days before Elon’s tweet. Here is what they were saying Feb 28, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-of-coronavirus-to-very-high-at-global-level.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-o... Regarding your other quotes 1. This was February 17. Yes, the mask advice was wrong although in line with western medical establishment thinking. 2. Fauci did not say cruises were totally fine. he said not to go if you were elderly or had a preexisting condition. Which is probably the majority of cruise line passengers. Two days before he had already said “When I say protect, I mean right now. Not wait until things get worse. Say no large crowds, no long trips. And above all, don't get on a cruise ship.” (Dr Fauci, March 8) Elon has repeatedly shown himself to not understand the threat of the virus.
- busymom0 7y ago
  It seems like you are willing to give Fauci and WHO the benefit of the doubt when they say opposite things but call Elon "He spreads conspiracy theories about hospitals over-counting cases for profit" even when he's factually correct. Fauci said on March 10th "If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." So how exactly is Elon opening his factory consisting of young employees with easy social distancing worse than what Fauci says? It's much easier to stay at a distance and wear masks at a factory than on a cruise ship. He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong? I just don't get it. Here's CDC post from May 1st regarding how this is "comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season": https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 > According to the latest CDC COVIDView report, increases in hospitalization rates for COVID-19, which are cumulative, have started to level off. The hospitalization rate is highest among adults 65 and older and similar to what has been seen during a comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season Fauci, WHO, modelers etc whose only job is to make predictions on these sort of things have been consistently wrong and yet people are willing to take their advice as gospel.

alden_penny 7y ago

It's pointless to try to defend Musk on this website. It will get flagged and removed and no one listens to logic

merpnderp 7y ago
No one is actually countering Musk’s points, they’re just calling names and making fun as if those were arguments adults should use.
- busymom0 7y ago
  Yep. I am very disappointed at the way a lot of people on this site are resolving to calling names. Sad times.

javagram 7y ago

> This was when Dr Fauci, WHO etc were all giving away wrong info. Why are you trusting them but not trusting Elon? Elon said on March 19 that cases would go to zero. WHO had declared a public health emergency in January and in February was warning publicly that western governments weren’t taking it seriously. WHO declared it a pandemic on March 11, eight days before Elon’s tweet. Here is what they were saying Feb 28, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-of-coronavirus-to-very-high-at-global-level.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-o... Regarding your other quotes 1. This was February 17. Yes, the mask advice was wrong although in line with western medical establishment thinking. 2. Fauci did not say cruises were totally fine. he said not to go if you were elderly or had a preexisting condition. Which is probably the majority of cruise line passengers. Two days before he had already said “When I say protect, I mean right now. Not wait until things get worse. Say no large crowds, no long trips. And above all, don't get on a cruise ship.” (Dr Fauci, March 8) Elon has repeatedly shown himself to not understand the threat of the virus.

busymom0 7y ago
It seems like you are willing to give Fauci and WHO the benefit of the doubt when they say opposite things but call Elon "He spreads conspiracy theories about hospitals over-counting cases for profit" even when he's factually correct. Fauci said on March 10th "If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." So how exactly is Elon opening his factory consisting of young employees with easy social distancing worse than what Fauci says? It's much easier to stay at a distance and wear masks at a factory than on a cruise ship. He even states that those who are afraid aren't required to come. Only those who want can come and work. How is there anything wrong? I just don't get it. Here's CDC post from May 1st regarding how this is "comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season": https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 https://www.facebook.com/CDC/posts/10157900783181026 > According to the latest CDC COVIDView report, increases in hospitalization rates for COVID-19, which are cumulative, have started to level off. The hospitalization rate is highest among adults 65 and older and similar to what has been seen during a comparable time period during a recent high severity flu season Fauci, WHO, modelers etc whose only job is to make predictions on these sort of things have been consistently wrong and yet people are willing to take their advice as gospel.