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>A Tesla factory is a much safer place to be than a Home Depot or a Costco, and many other businesses open in California today. No, Tesla has a history of high

by tacon 6y ago

>A Tesla factory is a much safer place to be than a Home Depot or a Costco, and many other businesses open in California today. No, Tesla has a history of higher injury rates than similar factories, and of trying to hide their high injury rates. There are multiple stories about this, very easy to find. Here is a podcast episode on injuries at Tesla[0]. Tesla has a history of being cavalier about worker safety. [0] https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/working-through-the-pain-at-tesla/ https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/working-through-the-pain...

product50 6y ago
This is independent of opening the factory during COVID or not. By this logic, Tesla should never be allowed to open their factory - COVID or not. And that doesn't seem to be the county's position - by far.
- ModernMech 6y ago
  If Tesla cannot properly account for safety pre-covid, why should they be trusted to properly account for safety post covid? Especially when the guy insisting on opening the factory has been downplaying the risk of covid consistently from the beginning ("The coronavirus panic is dumb", "Based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in US too by end of April", etc.)
  - product50 6y ago
    Because they already did it in Shanghai
perl4ever 6y ago
I find the theoretical consideration more compelling than specific facts. If Tesla demonstrably is above the law, then incentives to do the right thing seem to be lacking. Whenever people get into an argument about whether someone or something is good or bad, my reaction is, what is the mechanism that would force them to be good? If the answer is absolutely nothing, then I'm going to bet that the people saying they are bad are correct (and of course if there are huge incentives, then the people saying they are good are likely correct). Either way, I don't think it makes sense to shrug and say they're probably as good or bad as everyone else.
- tick_tock_tick 6y ago
  They ask for voluntary compliancy as any court challenge against their orders would see the orders revoked. The county will not push Tesla on this as they know they will lose the court case.
rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago
No. Higher rates are due to stricter regulations/enforcement. No other company manufactures cars in CA.

by tacon 6y ago

product50 6y ago

This is independent of opening the factory during COVID or not. By this logic, Tesla should never be allowed to open their factory - COVID or not. And that doesn't seem to be the county's position - by far.

ModernMech 6y ago
If Tesla cannot properly account for safety pre-covid, why should they be trusted to properly account for safety post covid? Especially when the guy insisting on opening the factory has been downplaying the risk of covid consistently from the beginning ("The coronavirus panic is dumb", "Based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in US too by end of April", etc.)
- product50 6y ago
  Because they already did it in Shanghai

perl4ever 6y ago

I find the theoretical consideration more compelling than specific facts. If Tesla demonstrably is above the law, then incentives to do the right thing seem to be lacking. Whenever people get into an argument about whether someone or something is good or bad, my reaction is, what is the mechanism that would force them to be good? If the answer is absolutely nothing, then I'm going to bet that the people saying they are bad are correct (and of course if there are huge incentives, then the people saying they are good are likely correct). Either way, I don't think it makes sense to shrug and say they're probably as good or bad as everyone else.

tick_tock_tick 6y ago
They ask for voluntary compliancy as any court challenge against their orders would see the orders revoked. The county will not push Tesla on this as they know they will lose the court case.

rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago

No. Higher rates are due to stricter regulations/enforcement. No other company manufactures cars in CA.