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Your link doesn't agree with your text. The TESLA documents explicitly say that they are not providing PPE to everyone, but that people can bring their own mask

by tedivm 6y ago

Your link doesn't agree with your text. The TESLA documents explicitly say that they are not providing PPE to everyone, but that people can bring their own masks. > Bring and wear your personal protective equipment (PPE) – If Tesla has provided you with a face covering, you are required to wear it unless otherwise told by your local leadership. If Tesla has not provided you with one, you may bring or make your own following the Center for Disease Controls guidance

dannyw 6y ago
The advice in the link covers all Tesla sites. At the Fremont site, Tesla is handing out masks on entry, which means it is mandatory to wear: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will-have-temperatures-taken-and-get-masks.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will...
- Animats 6y ago
  No, there was a Tesla internal e-mail saying that Tesla will take temperatures of Fremont factory employees and hand out masks. Whether that's actually happening is unknown at this time. If personal protective equipment is required, the employer has to provide it. It has to meet the usual NIOSH standards. Which means N95 or better masks for everybody. Hard to get, but if Tesla is "essential", they should be able to get them.
  - MengerSponge 6y ago
    And are all those users fitted and trained for their N95's? Also unknown, but even more unlikely. N95's often have yellow elastic bands, and we know Elon doesn't like yellow-colored safety things. This isn't ad hominem. He literally has endangered workers because he dislikes yellow. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-getting-hurt-because-elon-musk-hates-yellow.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-gettin...
    - sjwright 6y ago
      It's an incredibly, self-evidently stupid article. It's the accusations of one fired employee immediately disproved by Tesla who supplied photographic evidence. > Musk, apparently, really hates the color yellow. So instead of using the aforementioned hue, lane lines on the factory floor are painted in shades of gray. (Tesla denies this and sent Reveal photos of “rails and posts” painted yellow in the factory.) While I don't know anything about this non-controversy, my suspicion is that their limited use of colour is based on sound UX principles. Car factories have nothing but dangerous equipment from one end of the room to another; placing lawyer-approved caution markings on everything ends up backfiring as workers start to tune it all out. So what was the point? At the end of the day safety is all about good training, not how much yellow paint you apply to stuff.
      - MengerSponge 6y ago
        Yeah, I guess it's reasonable to expect sound UI/UX decisions from a company that sells touchscreen-controlled car interfaces which have been clearly demonstrated to be safer. That sentence was a lie. Touchscreens are less safe (read: more distracting, impose a higher cognitive load, lead drivers to veer while operating them) than tactile buttons. Touchscreens are excellent at reducing BOM costs, and they're excellent for glossy marketing pitches. Unsurprisingly, Tesla is big on touchscreens. Finally, photos of "rails and posts" painted yellow doesn't contradict the fundamental assertions in the article that the color scheme of the factory floor is dominated by Elon's aesthetic sense. And it's not like Tesla has a strong record on safety in general: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2019/03/01/tesla-safety-violations-dwarf-big-us-auto-plants-in-aftermath-of-musks-model-3-push/#1641492154ce https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2019/03/01/tesla-sa...
        sjwright 6y ago
        Your response is a non sequitur. Also I don't understand what your point was. I don't disagree with anything you wrote in that post, nor does anything I wrote previously imply disagreement with any of that—which I suppose is unsurprising given that it was a non sequitur. For the sake of completeness, let me enumerate all our agreements: 1. Touch screens are bad interfaces for a car in motion. 2. Removing physical buttons saves money and is great marketing. 3. There was an aesthetic aspect to the choice of factory floor colours. 4. Tesla factories have a poor historical safety record. Anything else? None of that detracts from the fact your original post was monumentally stupid and (despite your pre-emptive assertion) an entirely ad homenim making conclusions about Elon's motivations and Tesla's decision-making processes based on nothing more than one link to a tabloid-quality sensationalist report. We don't even know who actually designed the factory floor colour schemes—and I doubt some rando fired line worker knows either. I suppose we just have to assume that Elon is soly responsible for bike-shedding every single nuance at a 40,000+ employee company.
  - srj 6y ago
    You do realize that medical staff working in ICUs are often unable to get N95 masks, right? It doesn't matter what the regulations say if what they ask is impossible.
    - thefunnyman 6y ago
      If the supplies required for Tesla workers to safely perform their jobs aren’t available, maybe they shouldn’t be reopening their factories. All this reopening is at the expense of the employees being prematurely forced to resume work. From what I’ve seen, those that are pushing for reopening aren’t the ones that are likely to actually contract the virus at their job.
brandmeyer 6y ago
> make your own following the Center for Disease Controls guidance CDC guidance is that home-made masks aren't a replacement for social distancing. They are a risk mitigation technique for use in the handful of situations where social proximity is unavoidable. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...

by tedivm 6y ago

dannyw 6y ago

The advice in the link covers all Tesla sites. At the Fremont site, Tesla is handing out masks on entry, which means it is mandatory to wear: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will-have-temperatures-taken-and-get-masks.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will...

Animats 6y ago
No, there was a Tesla internal e-mail saying that Tesla will take temperatures of Fremont factory employees and hand out masks. Whether that's actually happening is unknown at this time. If personal protective equipment is required, the employer has to provide it. It has to meet the usual NIOSH standards. Which means N95 or better masks for everybody. Hard to get, but if Tesla is "essential", they should be able to get them.
- MengerSponge 6y ago
  And are all those users fitted and trained for their N95's? Also unknown, but even more unlikely. N95's often have yellow elastic bands, and we know Elon doesn't like yellow-colored safety things. This isn't ad hominem. He literally has endangered workers because he dislikes yellow. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-getting-hurt-because-elon-musk-hates-yellow.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/tesla-workers-gettin...
  - sjwright 6y ago
    It's an incredibly, self-evidently stupid article. It's the accusations of one fired employee immediately disproved by Tesla who supplied photographic evidence. > Musk, apparently, really hates the color yellow. So instead of using the aforementioned hue, lane lines on the factory floor are painted in shades of gray. (Tesla denies this and sent Reveal photos of “rails and posts” painted yellow in the factory.) While I don't know anything about this non-controversy, my suspicion is that their limited use of colour is based on sound UX principles. Car factories have nothing but dangerous equipment from one end of the room to another; placing lawyer-approved caution markings on everything ends up backfiring as workers start to tune it all out. So what was the point? At the end of the day safety is all about good training, not how much yellow paint you apply to stuff.
    - MengerSponge 6y ago
      Yeah, I guess it's reasonable to expect sound UI/UX decisions from a company that sells touchscreen-controlled car interfaces which have been clearly demonstrated to be safer. That sentence was a lie. Touchscreens are less safe (read: more distracting, impose a higher cognitive load, lead drivers to veer while operating them) than tactile buttons. Touchscreens are excellent at reducing BOM costs, and they're excellent for glossy marketing pitches. Unsurprisingly, Tesla is big on touchscreens. Finally, photos of "rails and posts" painted yellow doesn't contradict the fundamental assertions in the article that the color scheme of the factory floor is dominated by Elon's aesthetic sense. And it's not like Tesla has a strong record on safety in general: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2019/03/01/tesla-safety-violations-dwarf-big-us-auto-plants-in-aftermath-of-musks-model-3-push/#1641492154ce https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2019/03/01/tesla-sa...
      - sjwright 6y ago
        Your response is a non sequitur. Also I don't understand what your point was. I don't disagree with anything you wrote in that post, nor does anything I wrote previously imply disagreement with any of that—which I suppose is unsurprising given that it was a non sequitur. For the sake of completeness, let me enumerate all our agreements: 1. Touch screens are bad interfaces for a car in motion. 2. Removing physical buttons saves money and is great marketing. 3. There was an aesthetic aspect to the choice of factory floor colours. 4. Tesla factories have a poor historical safety record. Anything else? None of that detracts from the fact your original post was monumentally stupid and (despite your pre-emptive assertion) an entirely ad homenim making conclusions about Elon's motivations and Tesla's decision-making processes based on nothing more than one link to a tabloid-quality sensationalist report. We don't even know who actually designed the factory floor colour schemes—and I doubt some rando fired line worker knows either. I suppose we just have to assume that Elon is soly responsible for bike-shedding every single nuance at a 40,000+ employee company.
- srj 6y ago
  You do realize that medical staff working in ICUs are often unable to get N95 masks, right? It doesn't matter what the regulations say if what they ask is impossible.
  - thefunnyman 6y ago
    If the supplies required for Tesla workers to safely perform their jobs aren’t available, maybe they shouldn’t be reopening their factories. All this reopening is at the expense of the employees being prematurely forced to resume work. From what I’ve seen, those that are pushing for reopening aren’t the ones that are likely to actually contract the virus at their job.

brandmeyer 6y ago

> make your own following the Center for Disease Controls guidance CDC guidance is that home-made masks aren't a replacement for social distancing. They are a risk mitigation technique for use in the handful of situations where social proximity is unavoidable. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...