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If Musk is actually on the wrong side of the law, I'd love to see him spend time in jail for this move.

nickff 6y ago
You want to see him in jail even though you're not sure that he has done something that is both illegal and (ethically) wrong?
- echelon 6y ago
  >> If Musk is actually on the wrong side of the law, > You want to see him in jail even though you're not sure that he has done something that is both illegal and (ethically) wrong? You missed the conditional "If". > You want to see him in jail I think a lot of people are sick of seeing companies that break the law get by with just paying fines. Frequently on HN you see comments calling for Mark Zuckerberg to face jail time over privacy violations. It's stated that jail time would change his stance, whereas fines do nothing to curtail Facebook's behavior. The thought is that companies view fines as a slap on the wrist. Fines also tend to be smaller than the opportunity cost of making violations. Now that there's a disease going around that kills our old folks, it seems appropriate to call for punishment of those in power that knowingly violate the orders. This disobedience could actually take lives. This is a time when health and local government officials should be able to wield power.
  - nickff 6y ago
    Nobody should go to jail unless it the law was at least knowable; to do otherwise violates the principle of fair notice, a critical component of the rule of law. The fact that even the parent itself is not completely convinced that Tesla is breaking the law is telling of the fact that the state of the law is unclear.
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seph-reed 6y ago
Wouldn't call the law justice. I think right and wrong here depend very highly on what the working conditions are, and how much agency the workers feel they have in terms of their own safety.
thoraway1010 6y ago
Are they really putting folks in jail for longer periods now? A guy just got killed near where I live by someone who was let out to reduce prison overcrowding during covid.
gentleman11 6y ago
What happens to workers who are not comfortable with this? Do they get fired and cut off from social assistance if they don’t show up?
- hartator 6y ago
  It’s only for volunteers.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  Presumably workers have already been notified of this and sent their shifts with a stern "if you're a no-show for your shift, this is your punishment". I expect we'll see it soon, considering how many thousands of workers there are.

You want to see him in jail even though you're not sure that he has done something that is both illegal and (ethically) wrong?

echelon 6y ago
>> If Musk is actually on the wrong side of the law, > You want to see him in jail even though you're not sure that he has done something that is both illegal and (ethically) wrong? You missed the conditional "If". > You want to see him in jail I think a lot of people are sick of seeing companies that break the law get by with just paying fines. Frequently on HN you see comments calling for Mark Zuckerberg to face jail time over privacy violations. It's stated that jail time would change his stance, whereas fines do nothing to curtail Facebook's behavior. The thought is that companies view fines as a slap on the wrist. Fines also tend to be smaller than the opportunity cost of making violations. Now that there's a disease going around that kills our old folks, it seems appropriate to call for punishment of those in power that knowingly violate the orders. This disobedience could actually take lives. This is a time when health and local government officials should be able to wield power.
- nickff 6y ago
  Nobody should go to jail unless it the law was at least knowable; to do otherwise violates the principle of fair notice, a critical component of the rule of law. The fact that even the parent itself is not completely convinced that Tesla is breaking the law is telling of the fact that the state of the law is unclear.

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seph-reed 6y ago

Wouldn't call the law justice. I think right and wrong here depend very highly on what the working conditions are, and how much agency the workers feel they have in terms of their own safety.

thoraway1010 6y ago

Are they really putting folks in jail for longer periods now? A guy just got killed near where I live by someone who was let out to reduce prison overcrowding during covid.

gentleman11 6y ago

What happens to workers who are not comfortable with this? Do they get fired and cut off from social assistance if they don’t show up?

hartator 6y ago
It’s only for volunteers.
londons_explore 6y ago
Presumably workers have already been notified of this and sent their shifts with a stern "if you're a no-show for your shift, this is your punishment". I expect we'll see it soon, considering how many thousands of workers there are.