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>If you feel the need to lash out at someone. People have to start speaking up against the overly politically-correct or we end up in situations like the curre

by htnsao 6y ago

>If you feel the need to lash out at someone. People have to start speaking up against the overly politically-correct or we end up in situations like the current lock-down. >It's an unfortunate situation yes, but the alternatives aren't better. You can look at Sweden and see that is not true. Only .03% of population has died. That is 3% of 1%. [0] It's not as if deadly flu's and other nasty diseases that people have to avoid naturally are not going around all the time anyway. >You're right, it's more like the Spanish flu, which killed 3% of the world's population at the time, or 180 million people today. That's not a sacrifice we should be willing to make. It's not killing 3% of the population. More like 3% of 1%. ~60M people die every year worldwide. Coronavirus barely moves the needle. >I don't see how deforestation in the amazon, which usually has to do with consumerism in places like the US, has anything to do with the population of Brazil. I live in the Amazon. Humans are like a plague of locusts, cutting down all trees and killing everything that moves. Deforestation is mainly from the poor doing slash and burn. And from people just trying to earn a living (the wrong way), more and more of them every day. (FWIW I'm here showing a better way. ie reforestation) >So you want some of the most vulnerable populations among us to sacrifice their safety and quality of life for the rest of us? But you're unwilling to do the same for them? That feels rather selfish to me. No I said protect the vulnerable and let the rest self-isolate if they feel the risk is warranted. As in, don't bring the virus into old folks homes. You talk as if you think the common cold disappears after people hide in their houses for awhile. And as if the world can go on shut down indefinitely. Going on 8 wks of shut down here and it's a joke. Idiots copying the stupid. [0]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

joshuamorton 6y ago
> You can look at Sweden and see that is not true. Only .03% of population has died. That is 3% of 1%. [0] The capitol of sweden is being hit as hard as NYC. And that's despite many social distancing measures in place. The idea that sweden isn't being impacted negatively is wishful thinking. > It's not as if deadly flu's and other nasty diseases that people have to avoid naturally are not going around all the time anyway. The resignation that shit's bad, so we should let it get worse is fatalistic and untenable. > And as if the world can go on shut down indefinitely. Indeed it can't, no one is proposing that.
- htnsao 6y ago
  >The capitol of sweden is being hit as hard as NYC. No actually in both cases it's a miniscule percentage of the overall population. People should be looking at percentages, because absolute values just cause lockdown hysteria. >The resignation that shit's bad, so we should let it get worse is fatalistic and untenable. It's not resignation, it's indignation at the over-reaction to this practically common virus. >> And as if the world can go on shut down indefinitely. >Indeed it can't, no one is proposing that. So the whole exercise is pointless because the virus is going to do it's rounds anyway.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    > No actually in both cases it's a miniscule percentage of the overall population. People should be looking at percentages, because absolute values just cause lockdown hysteria. Yes, .2% of NYC residents are dead from Covid. Another % or so will likely have lifelong consequences. And that's with social distancing. Without, we'd be looking at 1% and 5-10%. And many of that 5-10% are young. Looking solely at deaths doesn't tell the whole story. > So the whole exercise is pointless because the virus is going to do it's rounds anyway. Sure sounds like resignation to me. But no, the measures being taken now allow us to understand more about the virus and ways to prevent it. We're seeing lockdowns end and lighten, replaced by more lighweight measures like mask requirements and contact tracing. We could have had this happen weeks ago and have been done at a fraction of the cost, but the US response was delayed due to the same kind of head burying as is happening in Brazil now.
    - htnsao 6y ago
      0.2% dead and everyone loses their minds. > Sure sounds like resignation to me. No it's just reality. I've had a dengue a few times. Some die. People are working to fix it. We don't shut down everything for it. You've resigned to the collateral damage caused from the economic shut down. I have not. Maybe if you had your own business you'd have a different opinion on the matter.
      - 6y ago

by htnsao 6y ago

joshuamorton 6y ago

> You can look at Sweden and see that is not true. Only .03% of population has died. That is 3% of 1%. [0] The capitol of sweden is being hit as hard as NYC. And that's despite many social distancing measures in place. The idea that sweden isn't being impacted negatively is wishful thinking. > It's not as if deadly flu's and other nasty diseases that people have to avoid naturally are not going around all the time anyway. The resignation that shit's bad, so we should let it get worse is fatalistic and untenable. > And as if the world can go on shut down indefinitely. Indeed it can't, no one is proposing that.

htnsao 6y ago
>The capitol of sweden is being hit as hard as NYC. No actually in both cases it's a miniscule percentage of the overall population. People should be looking at percentages, because absolute values just cause lockdown hysteria. >The resignation that shit's bad, so we should let it get worse is fatalistic and untenable. It's not resignation, it's indignation at the over-reaction to this practically common virus. >> And as if the world can go on shut down indefinitely. >Indeed it can't, no one is proposing that. So the whole exercise is pointless because the virus is going to do it's rounds anyway.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  > No actually in both cases it's a miniscule percentage of the overall population. People should be looking at percentages, because absolute values just cause lockdown hysteria. Yes, .2% of NYC residents are dead from Covid. Another % or so will likely have lifelong consequences. And that's with social distancing. Without, we'd be looking at 1% and 5-10%. And many of that 5-10% are young. Looking solely at deaths doesn't tell the whole story. > So the whole exercise is pointless because the virus is going to do it's rounds anyway. Sure sounds like resignation to me. But no, the measures being taken now allow us to understand more about the virus and ways to prevent it. We're seeing lockdowns end and lighten, replaced by more lighweight measures like mask requirements and contact tracing. We could have had this happen weeks ago and have been done at a fraction of the cost, but the US response was delayed due to the same kind of head burying as is happening in Brazil now.
  - htnsao 6y ago
    0.2% dead and everyone loses their minds. > Sure sounds like resignation to me. No it's just reality. I've had a dengue a few times. Some die. People are working to fix it. We don't shut down everything for it. You've resigned to the collateral damage caused from the economic shut down. I have not. Maybe if you had your own business you'd have a different opinion on the matter.
    - 6y ago