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Over the last 2 months, I have lost all respect for Elon. And I have a long history of Tesla / Elon fanboi-ism in HN. I am also a Tesla owner. But the recent tw

by dmode 6y ago

Over the last 2 months, I have lost all respect for Elon. And I have a long history of Tesla / Elon fanboi-ism in HN. I am also a Tesla owner. But the recent twitter tirade from Elon absolutely broke me. He predicted "zero cases" in April from COVID, and has simply doubled down in conspiracy theories since that tweet. Everyday he relentlessly retweets conspiracy theories about COVID deaths and concludes half truths and lies about the virus. He also suddenly found his "Free America" spirits, while being completely numb about how the Chinese government shutdown its cities and lied about the virus. Now it is all starting to fall in place. When I bought my car in late 2016, Elon promised FSD in 3-6 months. We are still decades away from FSD and my Tesla still randomly phantom brakes on Autopilot This factory saga is the latest where he unleashed his followers to wreck havoc on a county health officer, who is anyways under pressure of re-opening. And of course, not to mention that he has no concerns about workers in the factory. I think the conclusion is fairly simple - Elon is not special. He is the same old.

andrekandre 6y ago
his recent interview on joe rogan was also a bit wierd, saying that most of of the cases are fake so that hospitals can get more money... i found that a bit wierd because he was complaining about twitter where people just say things without evidence, and there he was saying things without presenting any evidence...
- nickysielicki 6y ago
  > In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf > The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) yesterday released new guidance implementing several provisions included in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act. These provisions include: > + A Medicare add-on payment of 20% for both rural and urban inpatient hospital COVID-19 patients; > + Waiver of the long-term care hospital (LTCH) site-neutral policy for COVID-19 patients; > + Waiver of the LTCH “50% Rule” for COVID-19 patients; and > + Waiver of the inpatient rehabilitation facility (IRF) “3-hour Rule” for COVID-19 patients. source: https://www.aha.org/advisory/2020-04-16-coronavirus-update-cms-releases-guidance-implementing-cares-act-provisions https://www.aha.org/advisory/2020-04-16-coronavirus-update-c... It's very clear that this is potentially happening on a mass scale. There is nothing preventing it from happening, at least, and the hospitals are under serious financial pressure due to the inability to perform elective surgeries. You cannot invalidate what he's saying. It's easy to chalk that up as yet another conspiracy theory. But at the same time, why wouldn't a hospital take advantage of programs like this? There's very little threat of it coming back to bite them -- there's no enforcement.
  - dmode 6y ago
    I don't understand this accusation. There should be a very easy way to see if COVID deaths are over-reported by comparing with last year's death numbers, isn't it ? Unless, we believe magically more people are dying this year due to heart attacks or respiratory diseases https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav...
    - nickysielicki 6y ago
      > Unless, we believe magically more people are dying this year due to heart attacks or respiratory diseases I wouldn't say it's "magic" but I do think that this year has been very abnormal to the point that mortality rates aren't directly comparable. Nobody is saying coronavirus isn't real. A lot of people are dying from it, but that doesn't mean it can't be overreported.
      - dmode 6y ago
        If you are trying to say that there is a global conspiracy across multiple nations to over count COVID deaths, you have do better than say "this year has been weird" to account for excessive deaths.
        nickysielicki 6y ago
        A "global conspiracy"? I feel like you're arguing in bad faith.
  - nitwit005 6y ago
    It would be rather mysterious why absolutely none of the hospital staff are reporting this widespread fraud to the press or government. They pay people for reporting Medicare or Medicaid fraud now, so even if the staff at the hospitals had no ethics what-so-ever, they have considerable financial motive to report it.
  - misiti3780 6y ago
honest_tovarich 6y ago
Yeah, he is awful, now all those people working in the factories can feed their families and pay their mortgages/rent. What a d*ck.
bgee 6y ago
> how the Chinese government shutdown its cities and lied about the virus Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "shutdown its cities"? From my impression this was to contain the spread of the virus. Disclaimer: Chinese national here.

by dmode 6y ago

andrekandre 6y ago

his recent interview on joe rogan was also a bit wierd, saying that most of of the cases are fake so that hospitals can get more money... i found that a bit wierd because he was complaining about twitter where people just say things without evidence, and there he was saying things without presenting any evidence...

nickysielicki 6y ago
> In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf > The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) yesterday released new guidance implementing several provisions included in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act. These provisions include: > + A Medicare add-on payment of 20% for both rural and urban inpatient hospital COVID-19 patients; > + Waiver of the long-term care hospital (LTCH) site-neutral policy for COVID-19 patients; > + Waiver of the LTCH “50% Rule” for COVID-19 patients; and > + Waiver of the inpatient rehabilitation facility (IRF) “3-hour Rule” for COVID-19 patients. source: https://www.aha.org/advisory/2020-04-16-coronavirus-update-cms-releases-guidance-implementing-cares-act-provisions https://www.aha.org/advisory/2020-04-16-coronavirus-update-c... It's very clear that this is potentially happening on a mass scale. There is nothing preventing it from happening, at least, and the hospitals are under serious financial pressure due to the inability to perform elective surgeries. You cannot invalidate what he's saying. It's easy to chalk that up as yet another conspiracy theory. But at the same time, why wouldn't a hospital take advantage of programs like this? There's very little threat of it coming back to bite them -- there's no enforcement.
- dmode 6y ago
  I don't understand this accusation. There should be a very easy way to see if COVID deaths are over-reported by comparing with last year's death numbers, isn't it ? Unless, we believe magically more people are dying this year due to heart attacks or respiratory diseases https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav...
  - nickysielicki 6y ago
    > Unless, we believe magically more people are dying this year due to heart attacks or respiratory diseases I wouldn't say it's "magic" but I do think that this year has been very abnormal to the point that mortality rates aren't directly comparable. Nobody is saying coronavirus isn't real. A lot of people are dying from it, but that doesn't mean it can't be overreported.
    - dmode 6y ago
      If you are trying to say that there is a global conspiracy across multiple nations to over count COVID deaths, you have do better than say "this year has been weird" to account for excessive deaths.
      - nickysielicki 6y ago
        A "global conspiracy"? I feel like you're arguing in bad faith.
- nitwit005 6y ago
  It would be rather mysterious why absolutely none of the hospital staff are reporting this widespread fraud to the press or government. They pay people for reporting Medicare or Medicaid fraud now, so even if the staff at the hospitals had no ethics what-so-ever, they have considerable financial motive to report it.
- misiti3780 6y ago

honest_tovarich 6y ago

Yeah, he is awful, now all those people working in the factories can feed their families and pay their mortgages/rent. What a d*ck.

bgee 6y ago

> how the Chinese government shutdown its cities and lied about the virus Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "shutdown its cities"? From my impression this was to contain the spread of the virus. Disclaimer: Chinese national here.