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> China's deaths per million is stated as 58 and that's clearly a number no one really believes. China's Covid19 deaths per 1 million is actually 3, not 58. As

> China's deaths per million is stated as 58 and that's clearly a number no one really believes. China's Covid19 deaths per 1 million is actually 3, not 58. As of today, 4633 deaths for a population of 1.4 BN. Maybe that's manipulated, but it's hard to believe they are hiding 95% of the deaths. So, yes, in the matter of Covid19, we should better look at China as the comparison. Did you see drones checking if people are wearing masks? Did you see temperature checks when people enter various buildings. Photos where absolutely everybody is wearing a mask, fully covering their nose (not like in the US where they wear it under their chin many times). Rapid testing, people being escorted to a quarantine center, etc, etc. Now, I am not arguing in favor or Tesla resuming production. I don't know much about this to have an opinion. But strictly on the topic whether we should admire the Chinese response to the Covid19 infection, I think we should give credit where credit is due.

bananabreakfast 7y ago
Great idea! China gets all the credit for: - Producing this virus in a meat market that should be illegal - Failing to contain it properly - lying about its existence - strong-arming the WHO - silencing doctors and censoring reports - expelling all foreign journalists - invasively tracking location and activity of all citizens - withholding PPE and ventilators from export to the US ...do I have to keep going?
- credit_guy 7y ago
  I'm not sure I understand your tone. China should be criticized for the things it did wrong and it should be given credit for the things it did right. China failed to contain it. But they did contain SARS in 2002. With Covid19, and after initially mishandling the situation, they imposed some draconian lockdown measures. Why did they initially mishandle the situation, why the cover-up, etc? Because China is a country of 1.4 BN people, with immense government complexities. It's not perfect. So, yes there was some censure going on, strong-arming, location tracking, welcome to the world. Overall, if you were to give China a grade between 1 and 10 what number would you choose? What's US's number? I personally would give China something like 6 or 7 or 8, and the US something like 3. In the end people's lives matter. And the count right now for the US is 80000. And it's not stopping here.
  - appleiigs 7y ago
    How well China did in 2002 is irrelevant. Saying they have immense govt complexity is an excuse. Comparing to US is irrelevant. Why don’t you compare to China’s neighbours such as S. Korea and Taiwan. Start at 10 and take 1 point off China’s score for each of bananabreakfast’s points. Banana didn't mention continuing to lie about the their infection rates, so that’s another point off.
    - credit_guy 7y ago
      > Why don’t you compare to China’s neighbours such as S. Korea and Taiwan? S. Korea and Taiwan handled the Covid19 situation much better than China. Much better than everyone else. When Musk is criticized for being upbeat about China, the implicit comparison it with the US though. In this context, the comparison with the US is not irrelevant at all. > Start at 10 and take 1 point off China’s score for each of bananabreakfast’s points. Starting at 10, you can indeed take points from China's score. 1 for each of those points is a bit too much. If your goal is simply to win an argument and get to negative score, I guess you can do that. If you want to do an objective assessment, you do add points for the low number of total deaths. A lot of points. In the US we had the debacle of the tests, the PPE's, the "masks are useless", the "it's safe to travel by plane", the "I don't personally go on cruises, but if you do, it's safe" , etc, etc. And lots of deaths.

bananabreakfast 7y ago

Great idea! China gets all the credit for: - Producing this virus in a meat market that should be illegal - Failing to contain it properly - lying about its existence - strong-arming the WHO - silencing doctors and censoring reports - expelling all foreign journalists - invasively tracking location and activity of all citizens - withholding PPE and ventilators from export to the US ...do I have to keep going?

credit_guy 7y ago
I'm not sure I understand your tone. China should be criticized for the things it did wrong and it should be given credit for the things it did right. China failed to contain it. But they did contain SARS in 2002. With Covid19, and after initially mishandling the situation, they imposed some draconian lockdown measures. Why did they initially mishandle the situation, why the cover-up, etc? Because China is a country of 1.4 BN people, with immense government complexities. It's not perfect. So, yes there was some censure going on, strong-arming, location tracking, welcome to the world. Overall, if you were to give China a grade between 1 and 10 what number would you choose? What's US's number? I personally would give China something like 6 or 7 or 8, and the US something like 3. In the end people's lives matter. And the count right now for the US is 80000. And it's not stopping here.
- appleiigs 7y ago
  How well China did in 2002 is irrelevant. Saying they have immense govt complexity is an excuse. Comparing to US is irrelevant. Why don’t you compare to China’s neighbours such as S. Korea and Taiwan. Start at 10 and take 1 point off China’s score for each of bananabreakfast’s points. Banana didn't mention continuing to lie about the their infection rates, so that’s another point off.
  - credit_guy 7y ago
    > Why don’t you compare to China’s neighbours such as S. Korea and Taiwan? S. Korea and Taiwan handled the Covid19 situation much better than China. Much better than everyone else. When Musk is criticized for being upbeat about China, the implicit comparison it with the US though. In this context, the comparison with the US is not irrelevant at all. > Start at 10 and take 1 point off China’s score for each of bananabreakfast’s points. Starting at 10, you can indeed take points from China's score. 1 for each of those points is a bit too much. If your goal is simply to win an argument and get to negative score, I guess you can do that. If you want to do an objective assessment, you do add points for the low number of total deaths. A lot of points. In the US we had the debacle of the tests, the PPE's, the "masks are useless", the "it's safe to travel by plane", the "I don't personally go on cruises, but if you do, it's safe" , etc, etc. And lots of deaths.