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>> And we know what types gravitate to that kind of work. >I have no clue what you're getting at, fwiw. Basically the kind of people that on any given day (it

by htnsao 6y ago

>> And we know what types gravitate to that kind of work. >I have no clue what you're getting at, fwiw. Basically the kind of people that on any given day (it switches to a new subject every few weeks) are whining(/bullying) about feminism, gay rights, misogyny, bullying, #metoo, etc etc are now causing the collapse of the world economy. >As for the meat of your comment, exponential growth hits like a truck. They say that but hasn't happened. And it's not like the virus is going disappear everywhere before the lockdowns need to be let up so there really is no point in having them in the first place. People just need to soldier on. >And what of the hundred plus people under thirty and the 1000 plus people under 60 who have died from covid-19 in Brazil so far? And the 100 plus people under thirty and the 1000 plus additional people under 60 who will die from covid-19 in Brazil in the next week? As shown in the previous link, 1 person net is added to the population of Brazil every 21 seconds. That's the real emergency.

joshuamorton 6y ago
> They say that but hasn't happened It's happening right before your eyes: To repeat myself, 1/3 of Brazil's confirmed Covid-19 cases were confirmed last week. That's exponential growth. If that trend continues, and without intervention it will, a week from now, Brazil will be over 200K confirmed cases. A week later, well over 350K. For comparison, Brazil is about where Italy was on March 20th. They had instituted a nationwide lockdown on March 9th, and still had peak deaths (at around 900/daily) a week later on the 27th and 28th. For brazil at this point, that's basically unavoidable. So just checking, at what point do you believe a lockdown is reasonable? When covid causes more deaths than every other cause of death combined? Because that's just a month away. > As shown in the previous link, 1 person net is added to the population of Brazil every 21 seconds. That's the real emergency. I see no reason to consider this an emergency. If anything, we can expect the birth rate to begin decreasing as Brazil stabilizes. Of course that won't happen if a virus sweeps through and kills a bunch of people. > Basically the kind of people that on any given day (it switches to a new subject every few weeks) are whining(/bullying) about feminism, gay rights, misogyny, bullying, #metoo, etc etc are now causing the collapse of the world economy. I'm sorry you feel this way. I wish you happiness and peace in these hard times.
- htnsao 6y ago
  >So just checking, at what point do you believe a lockdown is reasonable? When covid causes more deaths than every other cause of death combined? Because that's just a month away. I think lockdowns of the entire population does more harm than good. I say protect the vulnerable and let the rest self-isolate if they feel the risk is warranted. After all this ain't the Black Death plague, it's a bad cold that has a zero effect on most that get it. Basically we've reverted to centralized control of the economy so it's failing like communism. >>1 person net is added to the population of Brazil every 21 seconds. That's the real emergency. >I see no reason to consider this an emergency. It's an ecological emergency, take a look at the Amazon. >I'm sorry you feel this way. I wish you happiness and peace in these hard times. Yeah you're real smug working for Google aren't ya. Tell that to all the business owners, unemployed workers, and starving masses.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    > Yeah you're real smug working for Google aren't ya. Tell that to all the business owners, unemployed workers, and starving masses. If you feel the need to lash out at someone, I'm a better target than those facing more hardship. But yes, while I'm fortunate, I know many people who aren't in as stable a situation, most of them however recognize the necessity of that hardship. It's an unfortunate situation yes, but the alternatives aren't better. > After all this ain't the Black Death plague, it's a bad cold that has a zero effect on most that get it. You're right, it's more like the Spanish flu, which killed 3% of the world's population at the time, or 180 million people today. That's not a sacrifice we should be willing to make. > Basically we've reverted to centralized control of the economy so it's failing like communism. No. This is comically incorrect. In some sense there is more centralized economic control sure, but well first of all that isn't communism, but second of all, that centralized control is succeeding at its goal, which is to reduce the death toll of the virus. You may not share the same value system, but that's Ok with most people, who don't value profit over lives. Granted this would be easier to bear for everyone if the US had a stronger social support system. > It's an ecological emergency, take a look at the Amazon. I don't see how deforestation in the amazon, which usually has to do with comsumerism in places like the US, has anything to do with the population of Brazil. > I say protect the vulnerable and let the rest self-isolate if they feel the risk is warranted. I read this as you saying you want some of the most vulnerable populations among us to sacrifice their safety and quality of life for the rest of us, while you yourself are unwilling to do the same for them. Is that correct?

by htnsao 6y ago

joshuamorton 6y ago

> They say that but hasn't happened It's happening right before your eyes: To repeat myself, 1/3 of Brazil's confirmed Covid-19 cases were confirmed last week. That's exponential growth. If that trend continues, and without intervention it will, a week from now, Brazil will be over 200K confirmed cases. A week later, well over 350K. For comparison, Brazil is about where Italy was on March 20th. They had instituted a nationwide lockdown on March 9th, and still had peak deaths (at around 900/daily) a week later on the 27th and 28th. For brazil at this point, that's basically unavoidable. So just checking, at what point do you believe a lockdown is reasonable? When covid causes more deaths than every other cause of death combined? Because that's just a month away. > As shown in the previous link, 1 person net is added to the population of Brazil every 21 seconds. That's the real emergency. I see no reason to consider this an emergency. If anything, we can expect the birth rate to begin decreasing as Brazil stabilizes. Of course that won't happen if a virus sweeps through and kills a bunch of people. > Basically the kind of people that on any given day (it switches to a new subject every few weeks) are whining(/bullying) about feminism, gay rights, misogyny, bullying, #metoo, etc etc are now causing the collapse of the world economy. I'm sorry you feel this way. I wish you happiness and peace in these hard times.

htnsao 6y ago
>So just checking, at what point do you believe a lockdown is reasonable? When covid causes more deaths than every other cause of death combined? Because that's just a month away. I think lockdowns of the entire population does more harm than good. I say protect the vulnerable and let the rest self-isolate if they feel the risk is warranted. After all this ain't the Black Death plague, it's a bad cold that has a zero effect on most that get it. Basically we've reverted to centralized control of the economy so it's failing like communism. >>1 person net is added to the population of Brazil every 21 seconds. That's the real emergency. >I see no reason to consider this an emergency. It's an ecological emergency, take a look at the Amazon. >I'm sorry you feel this way. I wish you happiness and peace in these hard times. Yeah you're real smug working for Google aren't ya. Tell that to all the business owners, unemployed workers, and starving masses.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  > Yeah you're real smug working for Google aren't ya. Tell that to all the business owners, unemployed workers, and starving masses. If you feel the need to lash out at someone, I'm a better target than those facing more hardship. But yes, while I'm fortunate, I know many people who aren't in as stable a situation, most of them however recognize the necessity of that hardship. It's an unfortunate situation yes, but the alternatives aren't better. > After all this ain't the Black Death plague, it's a bad cold that has a zero effect on most that get it. You're right, it's more like the Spanish flu, which killed 3% of the world's population at the time, or 180 million people today. That's not a sacrifice we should be willing to make. > Basically we've reverted to centralized control of the economy so it's failing like communism. No. This is comically incorrect. In some sense there is more centralized economic control sure, but well first of all that isn't communism, but second of all, that centralized control is succeeding at its goal, which is to reduce the death toll of the virus. You may not share the same value system, but that's Ok with most people, who don't value profit over lives. Granted this would be easier to bear for everyone if the US had a stronger social support system. > It's an ecological emergency, take a look at the Amazon. I don't see how deforestation in the amazon, which usually has to do with comsumerism in places like the US, has anything to do with the population of Brazil. > I say protect the vulnerable and let the rest self-isolate if they feel the risk is warranted. I read this as you saying you want some of the most vulnerable populations among us to sacrifice their safety and quality of life for the rest of us, while you yourself are unwilling to do the same for them. Is that correct?